timmy2422 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Gday. just after some bags for transporting fish but not sure where to go to get them. is there a site that i can buy some from or should i put a WTB in the classifieds? thanks in advance, Timmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 some LFS will sell them, or even provide them for free if you're lucky & ask whilst buying a bit of other gear. I collected mine from whenever I purchased a fish, rather than cutting the bag like some people do. I'll run out one day I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy2422 Posted August 8, 2005 Author Share Posted August 8, 2005 Yer i might go give the LFS a visit. i was doing that too, saving up bags from fish i bought, had some nice big ones from Nigal, dam LFS cut them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 What do you mean by cutting the bags?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 For some reason, some people cut the bags open to release their fish, rather than undo them. Think those too lazy to add some tank water to reduce PH shock, undoing a rubber band is too difficult for these people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Ohhh i understand what your saying but what does timmy mean about his LFS cutting bags???? Cheers for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I cut the bag Does that make me lazy or unable to undo an elastic band? Or are some people just too tight I cut my bags just below the band, taking the top right off with a pair of scissors. I then use the same method you described Ash, except I have not had to remove the band I always worry about re-using bags in case something nasty is left behind by the last inhabitant. And if someone is nice enough to buy my fish I reckon the least I can do is present the fish to them in a new bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I only cut the bag when pure frustration sets in after about 60 seconds trying to undo the rubber band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I must say i also cut the bag 90% of the time as my fat fingers dont seem to work so well on tight elastic bands I dont keep the bags but do get some free sometimes from an LFS at hornsby BUT...... they have the big promotional pictures on the front Talk about some people never being happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canerod Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 For those of you with fat fingers, deep pockets and skinny wallets, instead of cutting the bag why not use a sharp pair of scissors like surgical or cosmetic scissors and cut the lacky band. Or would that be a waste of a perfectly good elastic band . I transport all my fish in buckets these days so i dont need the bags any more but thats how i used to do it. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeyBoyR Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Make nice with your LFS. If you're a good customer they shouldn't have a problem giving you some bags within reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I cut the bag Does that make me lazy or unable to undo an elastic band? Or are some people just too tight I cut my bags just below the band, taking the top right off with a pair of scissors. I then use the same method you described Ash, except I have not had to remove the band I always worry about re-using bags in case something nasty is left behind by the last inhabitant. And if someone is nice enough to buy my fish I reckon the least I can do is present the fish to them in a new bag. ← so by that logic all 2nd hand fish tanks should be destroyed "just in case" recycling is bad is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 No, recycling is good, when you collect enough old fish bags put them in the bag recycling bin at Woolies Ash, I think the difference is this. How many people who re-use bags clean and steralise them properly, compared to how many people who buy second hand equipment clean and steralise it properly... Also if you bring dirty stuff home and don't clean it first, that is your own stupid mistake and you deserve the consequences (even if your fish don't) However when you pass on potentially contaminated stuff to other hobbiests do they deserve to have to deal with an outbreak of a disease? I sometimes reuse bags. Usually only the big ones (I don't use enough big bags to warrant buying them, and usually it is an external bag for linking smaller bags as auction lots), and again only good quality ones. I also ensure they are steralised and cleaned to the best of my ability before doing so. But I doubt most people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Make nice with your LFS. If you're a good customer they shouldn't have a problem giving you some bags OK!! EVERYONE lets go to Auburn Aquariums today!!! *WOOT* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Ash, I think the difference is this. How many people who re-use bags clean and steralise them properly, compared to how many people who buy second hand equipment clean and steralise it properly... ← Define properly? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the majority of fish illnesses result from bacteria or parasites - not harder to kill viruses - if the bag is simply rinsed in hot water & left to completely dry, what's left to infect the next fish? Yes you could wash it in bleach or let it bask in the UV of the sun - but if there's no fish, substrate or water to sustain the organism, which was also emersed in ~60deg+ water to start with - where is this organism surviving for the month or more till you reuse the bag? If it can survive airbourne your brand new bags may well be infected too, and your nets that you've just pulled out of disinfectant to catch them, etc. I don't think of it as being "cheap" & obviously if you shift a quantity of fish you'll never have enough old bags to reuse so buying a bunch of new ones makes sence - but if you're small time why the hell not reuse them? Sometimes I think some habits in this hobby defy logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeyBoyR Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 novafishy I said GOOD customer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 OK Ash replace 'properly' with 'at all'. I would hazard a guess that most (note, not all) people who empty fish out of a bag wouldn't attempt to clean/steralise the bag at all before re-using it and passing it on to someone else. The point of contamination in new bags is entirely plausible, however with a new bag the chance of the contaminant being inside the bag, where the fish will reside, is substantially smaller IMO. I am not suggesting it is a 'cheapness' thing, as I said, when a need arises I reuse bags myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 With all that aside Does anybody know of an online store to buy bags from?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 teflon, I have always split orders with other bobbiests, sorry. I am sure one of the newcastle boys will have some and I am sure you could grab a handful for a pittance. Last time I was in a bind (needing 30 odd bags to ship fish on a Sunday), Andy had some bags that he gave me on the Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 how many come in a brand new box anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrontyKing Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Depending on the size of the bag Ash, anywhere between 1000 and 1500. Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 so by that logic all 2nd hand fish tanks should be destroyed "just in case" No, now you're being silly Anyone who buys a 2nd hand tank knows that it has held fish before and if they choose not to clean it that's their own choice. if the bag is simply rinsed in hot water & left to completely dry, what's left to infect the next fish? Probably not much. How many hobbyists do you think really do this though? Everyone does it differently for a different reason. Please stop assuming that those who think differently are wrong. Suggesting they are lazy or unable to undo an elastic band is certainly not helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Another negative for re-using bags...often they deflate. Andrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I have noticed with old bags also they perish easier too and leave little pin hole sized leaks. I remember filling one up with water so i could throw it at someone and there were leaks, Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Everyone does it differently for a different reason. Please stop assuming that those who think differently are wrong← but by dismissing my opinion, aren't you doing the same? I stated my opinion & YOU jumped on ME! for PETE'S sake, I was just suggesting what I do & my reasons for it - who's dismissing who's opinion & jumping to conclusions? Where you are cutting them BaZ, I have no problem with as you are essencially doing the same as me (aclimitisation wise), except you choose to not reuse the bag, wereas I do. I have seen more than one person get fish home & just slice the bottom of the bag open & dump the fish in with no aclimatisation whatsoever, then complain about having to buy another bag 10 min later. I do not ship fish interstate so deflation is a non-issue for me - the fish are only bagged for maybe an hr to get to whoever I've given them to's house or to the LFS. I agree if they are being shipped then it is better to be safe than sorry & use a new bag. I DID answer Timmy's question in the first place refering him to a LFS for some bags. My cutting remark was relating to Teflon's question about people cutting bags (I did misinterpret the question) - the ignorant people I have described above are the inspiration for my reply. I'm sure you'll find something to be offended about in this reply too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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