jebe Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 DIY egg tumbler Using a uplift tube form a under gravel filter and some mesh cost $6 you only want the eggs to be just moving around the bottom eva so slightly you just need to adjust the air accordingly have fun if your going to have a go only took about 15min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungsta Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Very helpful. Though i cant seem to find the ug uplift tubes with the bell/funnel shape bottom. Is there an alternative to ug tubes that works? Thanx heaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaman Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 interesting design, with my quick emergency one that I made a couple months ago I had the bubbles underneath the eggs...I haven't checked the official DIY version but what's the best meathod anyone? Thanks for sharing Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 I use the one on the sydney cichlid page. Jebe do you find the fish can get under the bottom of yours and get the eggs through the mesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Hi Justin, U have a few eggs there that are no good mate - if i were u i would take them out, gives the others a better chance regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 hmmm...just a couple of issues that I can see tho. 1. the tubler being so close to the substrate means it will suck the waste outta the gravel and onto the eggs/mesh...this may be why you have a few bad eggs in the tumbler. 2. If you raise the tumbler off the substrate the other occupants of the tank will be able to eat the eggs. The bubbles over the egges, rather than under the eggs, is a great way to tumble. it is much more gentle on the eggs and you are actually drawing water over the eggs to tumble them rather than bouncing the eggs with air-bubbles. Just the way I found it, having tried both. The tumbler on SCP is hard to beat and never lets me down. I find the survival rate goes up even further, specially with messy tanks like the Tropheus, when you run a tumbling-tank specifically for the tumblers rather than leaving them in the tank. Because there is no food in the tank or fish-poo, there is very little that gets trapped on the mesh and causes rot/fungas. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Here is the DIY I did for the SCP: DIY UG uplift tumbler Same basic principle as pics above. The only comments I can add is to make the tumble area taller than the one Jebe did, so the free swimming fry have more space. You can leave them in the tumbler for several days after they can swim on their own. Also, you need to put another bit of screen at the very bottom to stop bristlenose or other fish from sucking the eggs through the mesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 18, 2005 Author Share Posted February 18, 2005 thanks guys yep there are quite a few variations of this little fella going around, this is only my second attempt at tumbling eggs and the first with this design Which of the eggs do you think are no good?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Which of the eggs do you think are no good?? The ones which are going white are developing fungas HTH regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 19, 2005 Author Share Posted February 19, 2005 Thanks jim Can they get that way in mums mouth??? That snap was taken about 2min after they came out of her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Hi jebe, They look like they are not fertilised to me merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 19, 2005 Author Share Posted February 19, 2005 thanks merjo how can you tell?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Hi jebe, The eggs should be an "egg-shell" consistent colour. Any whitish areas should be treated as suspicious and probably indicating infertile eggs. If they have "fluff" too, then they are fungused (is that a word?) and need to be removed asap before hey contaminate the other eggs. I'm guessing that within two days or so, most/all of the eggs in the pic. will have disintergrated...sorry for the bad news merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 19, 2005 Author Share Posted February 19, 2005 Yes I think you might be right merjo Im down two 6 eggs out of 14 I suppose it’s too hard to find out who’s at fault??....... mum? Or dad? one good thing is the 14 eggs came from one girl but its not much good if there not fertilised thanks merjo and the rest of you guys who helped out justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I suppose it’s too hard to find out who’s at fault??....... mum? Or dad? hmmm...nope, more likely to be you. Maybe you jumped the gun and pulled the girl before they had finished what they were doing?? How long did the girl have the gob-full? What species are they(this may be the factor)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 20, 2005 Author Share Posted February 20, 2005 (I waited two days after I noticed her chubbiness) The reasoning for tumbling the eggs was that I was having girls with nice fat faces and then a few days later they were gone This happened for about 3 months with about 5-6 different girls so I wanted to find out what was going on The fish are well over a year old and the two fish that I have taken eggs from, the numbers where 14 and 15 I personally have only had the fish for about 4-5 months and have only had the one successful mouth full They are “Tropheus sp. "Black" (Siyeswe)” thanks for trying to help guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungsta Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Hey guys, What is the maximum amount of eggs that can be placed in a tumbler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Jebe, what is the actual age of the Tropheus? I found that my duboisi(Maswa) took 18-24Mths, and about 5 or 6 practice runs, before they held full-term. I have tried tumbling the Tropheus eggs a few times and unless I tumble the eggs in a seperate tank I find that I lose quite a few eggs to rot. My suggestion with the T's is to just leave them alone and they will get it right in the end but I do understand how frustrating it is seeing a mouthfull on Monday and by Friday it's gone. hungsta, I have used the SCP tumbler for Fossi's and acei so I think as long as the actual "Tumbling Chamber" is large enough you can have as many eggs as you like. It is possible to levitate the eggs, by using a good tap, a few mill's from the mesh and this means the eggs do not have to be flying around smashing into each other and getting damaged. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 The next step before stripping after a couple of days is to separate the female. Get a nice big ice cream container and make a fry saver out of it. Catch her after a couple of days and float her in the tank in the fry saver, and see if she holds for a couple of weeks. It may be because she is getting hassled by the other fish, she is losing the eggs. By the looks of the picture though, I'd say the boy is not getting enough sperm to the eggs to fertilise them properly. They'll learn if given enough time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 All eggs have failed to develop Thanks for all the input guys very much appreciated I’ll leave em be for now, back to uni on Monday that should keep my mind of them for about 2 seconds Thanks again Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaman Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Man that's tough - especially being tropheus eggs I'll cry with you, long distance Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebe Posted February 25, 2005 Author Share Posted February 25, 2005 thanks rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilli Powder Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Sorry to hear that Justin. Richard, Justin lives in VIC! Ballarat I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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