Kimbo Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hey guys i have been told that frontosa is know on the allowable import list, can anyone confirm/ deny that for me? Kimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Not that ive heard ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 The latest draft report written in July 2004 only recommends that selected species of C.frontosa be allowed for import. There was no mention of C.frontosa being allowed to be imported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrUsTy Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 and idea of what the exact species are that have been put into the draft are ? thanks Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warooda Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Draft Report assessing the impact of importing ten species of live ornamental fish for commercial purposes FYI, you can read the report for yourself here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki Botia lohachata Luciosoma spilopleura Sawbwa resplendens Cyphotilapia frontosa Cichlasoma sp hybrid (Blood Parrot Cichlid) Glossolepis incisus Hypancistrus zebra Dekeyseria pulcher Panaque nigrolineatus HHMMMM Lets let the hybrids in. I dont want to start a new debate. But why are they even being considered? Anyway thats the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Josh, if Cichlasoma sp. "hybrid" was allowed in, well then that would mean that any and all parent species would be allowable. Also, the import of pure species labelled Cichlasoma "hybrid" would be quite easy. It is quite possible some tool has put the cash up to have the fish allowed, but it is my belief that it is a very shrew fan of American cichlids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Also, the import of pure species labelled Cichlasoma "hybrid" would be quite easy That is a possibility Ducksta, but unfortunately its the jelly beans they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 OK, still I was informed that if the hybrid is allowed the parent species are then allowed by default? SO what are the parent species? nobody knows, I'll make them up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 That could be an arguement put forward to bring pure Cichlasomas in , but then that could also see them not added for that reason. Under that arguement the FH would be included, i personally cant see them being added to the import list but it may make it interesting to see how things pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Doesn't Cichlasoma sp hybrid cover any hybrid american cichlid? Or does it have to be the blood parrot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Well my interpretation is, that any species whose genus is (or ever was) Cichlasoma, would be allowed. But I am no expert, that's just what i have gathered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I think you will find it will only be as it has been put forward. Cichlasoma sp "Blood Parrot" another words thats what will show on the import list IF it is passed and thats basically all they will allow. But Ducksta has brought up some loop holes that may stop them being added. If they think about it the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Somebody delete my loopholes!!! I dont want them finding them until after they legalise the entire American collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 is there anywhere on the net i can fins a definite answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fins Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Kimbo, It's simple. If it's on this list, its allowed to be imported. If not, then it's not http://www.deh.gov.au/biodiversity/trade-u...port/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 @ Ducksta Kimbo at the moment they havnt been passed so nothing on the web yet. This has been gong on for nearly 2 years already and that link was the 2nd time they have been put up.. They didnt get approved the first time round, everytime something gets close the Govt changes whoever is in charge of the potfolio (spelling) making it one big merry go round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcaught Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Hehe..Hypancistrus zebra is on the list as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 There will be some mighty fast phonecalls made to our NZ mates if the zebs make the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 So true As long as they dont make CITES protection there may be a slim chance for the zebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 If they go on the list as Cichlasoma sp this means anything from that genus. If you have a look at the list there are quite a few that are on there as species. So as an importer I would bring what ever I liked from that species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkoi Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 If it ever gets on the list it will be specific... Cichlasoma sp "Hybrid Blood parrot" or something to that effect. The only reason the "blood parrot" stands a chance of being put on the list is that the males are sterile. Propagation is not as simple as "Blood parrot x Blood parrot = blood parrot". U infact get nothing... Hence they are not a "biosecurity threat" in that sense. These "jelly bean" fish are also screwed up and deformed enough to have no chance of survival in the wild (unlike all other Cichlasoma true sp.). The blood parrots are easy enough to spot at AQIS inspections. If any other Cichlasoma sp comes in NOT looking like the jellybeans, then u can attempt on bringing them in, but they'll never get past the airport. AQIS will know only to allow the jellybeans in. ... so give it a rest. If any cichlasoma makes it on the list, it will not be anything this cichlid forum is interested in. If zebra plecos make the list, it may then open the doors for all other smallish plecos.... L134, L52, L333, L260... etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Kevkoi you have no idea how wrong every thing you said is. I have been doing this for a long time I know how it works with both AQIS and the Department of Heritage and Enviroment. If they go on the import list as Cichlasoma sp then you can bring every thing from that species. The "blood parrot" part of it means nothing and as far as AQIS is concerned its Cichlasoma sp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 After reading the report that has been put forward only the Fronnies may have half a chance. If placed on a permit system. Cichlasoma sp has very little to no chance and the zebs and panaques little to no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenomena Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Hi all, Just read the news: The Hon Ian Campbell, made a decision to reject the inclusion of Cichlasoma sp hybrid (Blood Parrot Cichlid) to the live import list. This decision was made in part because the unspecific parentage of the Cichlasoma sp hybrid meant that a thorough risk assessment of the possible impacts of this species on the Australian environment was not possible. Cheers, DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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