AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Does Anyone else stock this fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannon Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I'm pretty sure it's a relatively common species mate but I'm more a tang fan myself. Victorians arent something I know alot about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 Thats what I keep hearing but I don't know anyone else on here with them... they aren't Crimson Tides which are quite common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 They should be referred to as Zebra Obliquidens. AS they come from different lake and genus then Crimson Tides.They are quite rare and considered endangered.FYI:http://www.cichlid-f...ic.php?t=235947Astatotilapia latifasciata or Haplochromis latifasciatus. Scientific NameQuoted from above.Hi Haplochromis is used as generic genus because os the many intermediate forms between Greenwood genuines, Astatotilapia is by far too general(it has to be precised) yu can find many different fishes using differents foods and techniques to collect it so this makes it unuseful as Greenwood stated it in his last days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattrox Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 They should be referred to as Zebra Obliquidens. AS they come from different lake and genus then Crimson Tides.They are quite rare and considered endangered.FYI:http://www.cichlid-f...ic.php?t=235947Astatotilapia latifasciata or Haplochromis latifasciatus. Scientific NameQuoted from above.Hi Haplochromis is used as generic genus because os the many intermediate forms between Greenwood genuines, Astatotilapia is by far too general(it has to be precised) yu can find many different fishes using differents foods and techniques to collect it so this makes it unuseful as Greenwood stated it in his last days. They "SHOULD" be but in Australia the wrong name has stuck. Even the wholesaler says so. They might be wrong, but every LFS that relies on the wholesaler has named them this way for a long time.http://www.premierpe...SON-TIDE/pd.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 So yer why not change the trend to the right name? They look completely different hey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannon Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I don't believe they look completely different to what WE all know as crimson tides. Although terrific quality compared to that in shops. Now if u were selling true crimson tides as per google then I'm sure people would be all over them.I don't think a couple of people on a forum is going to change the whole hobby into labelling crimson tides "zebra obliquidens". But this is all just my opinion others will most definitely feel different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannon Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Americans may well agree with you regarding the name but in Australia it's still going to be tied to the name crimson tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Yeah these things get around quite a bit in nsw Sold as crimson tides and they breed like rabbitsI had some but they just produced way more fry than i could sell or houseVery nice male you have though alot of the stock in shops down here dont have much blue just more reds and yellows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I do breed these as well, so far 4 batches with about 30 fish in each, the 1st one can't even sell down here in Sydney...They are currently around 4-5cm and the LFS will not take them if they are smaller than 5 cm, pretty nice fish, but breed like rabbits...You'll most likely end up getting rid of them in the long run...Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 I do understand that but for the educated Zebra Obliquiend is the better name as Pundimllia sp looks quire different and from a different lake... anyone else breed these not Crimson TIdes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannon Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Because we have a different opinion to you or because your fish is run of the mill down here it doesn't mean we are uneducated. I admit your fish look great and probably are mislabelled as crimson tides but what I'm saying is in every fish shop I have been to those fish are labelled as crimson tides and will continue to do so. I could walk into a dozen fish shops and say I've got zebra obliquidens and receive a dumbfounded look until they saw the fish and correct me as crimson tides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannon Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm not going to comment anymore goodluck with the sale sorry to hijack the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolla Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Because we have a different opinion to you or because your fish is run of the mill down here it doesn't mean we are uneducated. I admit your fish look great and probably are mislabelled as crimson tides but what I'm saying is in every fish shop I have been to those fish are labelled as crimson tides and will continue to do so. I could walk into a dozen fish shops and say I've got zebra obliquidens and receive a dumbfounded look until they saw the fish and correct me as crimson tides.Couldnt agree more Selling in bulk to a wholesaler is about the only way to get rid of crimson tides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 True anyone want to pm wholesaler that might be interested? These are almost conciders extinct in the wild right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Yes, through habitat loss due to introduced food species.You keep saying it, but I'm not sure how you feel it is relevant to making sales the Australian hobby?In Australia they are abundant, yes yours are nicer than alot that are around, but given the quantities they churn out you might be better off not raising so many fry if you don't want to offload them incredibly cheap to wholesalers.I used to have a pair years ago which were a dither fish among other colonies. I only raised about 1 batch in 6 and still had an oversupply. Treat them like breeding Americans. Keep them breeding and going through the motions but use 90% of the new hatched fry become fodder for whatever else you're growing out.There used to be several small wholesalers in QLD who bought from hobbiests, I don't have details handy but google should be helpful. I've never sold to the big two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicj Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 would they be good as host for cuckoo cats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 They probably would - big mouthfuls, very prolific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yep spot on amenz. Going to through the last batch of fry through as a few LFS are buying them. I also sell the males for display tanks.Going to put a few other cichlids in there any suggestions, ones that can handle this brood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 would they be good as host for cuckoo cats?I did hear about this, are cukoo cats sought after, any idea on wholesale rates ducksta you seem to be the man around here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowie Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Cuckoo cats go for around $15-$25 on the forums for fryVery interesting fish to watch breedAnd dont give the duck a big head I used to keep them with afra cobue and mainganosCheers rowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 please continue any discussion here instead of in the classifieds area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 Thanks gav.... I am trying to source a good line of Cuckoo cats, any suggestions... would like to see them do their naughty swap with the mouth brooders. Hopefully going to pick up some Manganos from a local breeder That with a few more Plecos should be an interesting mix....are cats hard to resell?Im here for the hobby but I do want to be paid for my time, so far im just ahead but its getting harder.... times are tough I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 i dont think you necessarily need to find a good line of cuckoo cats, as from what I have seen they are generally very good quality here. What I would suggest is that you look up DFishKeeper on here or on the queensland aquarium forums as he breeds cuckoo cats and is on the gold coast as far as I know. sourcing any fish from him would mean you are getting top notch stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 for other cichlids that I have in the tank are Red Rubin Peacocks and Electric Blues, they are all breeding at the moment, have mouthful from all of them but really short on space due to the large amount form the Crimsons...I also have a pair of brichardis, a trio of Horiis and a pair of Black Calvus in there with a male Electric Yellow and they are all doing great....All the best wit the Cuckoo mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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