Peter_Gun_Riff Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 can we get wild caught red devils in aus? the onces with the HUGE lips? my friend is interest as he has one atm(non wild caught) and wants an other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungholio Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 With HUGE lips... well that just sounds like a Cichlasoma labiatum, unsure if you can wild-caughts in AUS, never seen one, but yeh they are only about $3 here... melb.. adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 The only wild caught ones that you will get in OZ would be from that pond in Victoria Not sure which variety is in the pond system though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Almost definately hybrids coming out of "that pond" IMO after studying pictures of the fish that have been taken. There is too much variation in body and head shape, which do not comply with either species. I think the original stock were a variety of red devil hybrids. I wonder if it is possible that from the hybrids, each species reverts back to its true forms, and takes on seperate niche's in that system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Would be interesting indeed cant answer that one as im no way near a genetic genius Although once they are tainted i cant see how they could revert back ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Gun_Riff Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 so is that a no to wild caughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23Skidoo Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 <Hypothesizing hat on!> Well, the hybrids in the ponds are all the result of a restricted gene pool being added to a virgin environment, (virgin re: no cichlids). But now that they have been inter breeding and are apparently established, there is the possibility that they have combined genetic characteristics in order to survive here. So as hobbyists we see it as Hyrbridisation. So, when does a hybrid become a species??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 ......so they would be C. labiatum 'La Trobe'..... merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 IMO the hybridisation of the red devils in "that pond" occured long before their introduction to the Australian hobby, or to that waterway. It is my belief, and many will disagree, that all the red devils brought into Australia were hybrids from the start. It is only recently that the distinction between the 2 wild species was actually taken notice of by hobbiests, and all the initial red devils in the hobby worldwide were the result of tank breeding hybrids, I believe Australia's stocks came from these lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Gun_Riff Posted April 19, 2004 Author Share Posted April 19, 2004 looking for RDs like these Wild caught can we get these in aus not from lakes here etc from the wild in americia not victoria lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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