kevkoi Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I like the list, although why aren't we trying for a blanket allowable "Botia spp." instead? Mat, Zebra plecos were tried before.... They didn't get on. No point trying again so soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Good to see 'zebra' mbuna on the list I might put one of these list forward... do they cost any money to do? I heard it was lots... maybe i was misinformed? Mine would be something like this: Pseudotropheus spp. Metriaclima spp. Peckoltia spp. Hypancistrus spp. Ancistrus spp. Baryancistrus spp. Panaque spp. Xenotilapia spp. Enantopus spp. (are these legal imports already??) Geophagus spp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@nthony Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 Me Again, KevKoi Unfortunatley the provision to apply for an entire genus is no longer availible, hence the need to apply for each species individually. Would love your input and to get you involved in the assesment processes. BTW what do we have to do to get SLS to sign up as PIAA members. Surely you are begining to see the advantages of an industry organisation. United we stand .... divided we fall.... Markus Having read your post again I am still confused. I was elected to the Board of PIAA to do exactly what I am doing. Apply for more species as well as many many other things. True by amending the import list I advantage Auburn Aquariums however I also advantage every other retailer and wholesaler in Australia not to mention the hobbyists. I fail to see your point. Anyway lets not lose focus. Who is up for volunteering to help formulate some cichlid species applications Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 well mate ill do what i can, if you let me know something that can be done, ill give it a shot, come on guys, lets get some more new fish into aus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Im interested in helping out. In particular with a dwarf cichlid species but im happy to help out any where i can. If anyone wants to get a group together and needs help let me know. My understanding of what Marcus wrote was to point out an aspect that he thought was perhaps overlooked. Im sure it wasnt meant as an attack of any sorts, more a concern that your efforts may be wasted if that aspect was a problem. But as you pointed out after wards you have already have that base covered. At least thats the way I read it. AdamR ps. I find it very interesting of all the fish in the world that such a large percentage of fish we aim to add to our import list are loaches. Not that i have anything against them, you dont hear of many people who are loach specialists as opposed to catfish, livebearers, cichlids etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkoi Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Adam, lobby for Taenicara candidi mate... This one should be an easy one to get thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeyBoyR Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Adam I cant see many dwarves being added any time soon as they would have a relatively low commercial appeal generally speaking. You and I both know how hot some of the dwarves are, however they're not USUALLY a joe public fish to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormboy Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Adam I cant see many dwarves being added any time soon as they would have a relatively low commercial appeal generally speaking Also isnt there already a blanket Apistogramma allowance on the allowable import? Admittedly it would be nice to be able to go out and buy T candida or N parilus whenever you wanted but isnt ALL the apistos a pretty good selection of dwarfs for the time being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boots n all Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 For those asking about H.Zebs, l think you will find they are on the CITIES list or about to be. Even if they were not, supply would still keep the price high, possiblly not as high as it is currently ($650) but O/S prices have been rising for the last year or so and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 As Anthony said to make an application you need to apply for 10 fish. Having one spot taken up by a dwarf in my opinion isnt a big ask especially if I am prepared to put in the work for it. And there are way more fish considered to be dwarfs than apistogramma (which do have a blanket statement, as do Pelvicachromis i believe). You can look at fish such as candidi as Kev said, Biotodoma, dwarf pikes, Nannochromis. Im not sure what the status is of many small shelldwelling tangs, or the gobie cichlids. Id love to see some more catfish (easy to get on the market ones) and like Acanthicus adonis or the queen arabesce. "apistos a pretty good selection of dwarfs for the time being" I could say the same about any of the African species, we have more established species of Mbunas or Peacocks than the apistos in Australia. Either way Im happy to help out with whatever is needed. Just think how good it would feel to walk past a fish shop in 30 years time and see a fish that is only in there because of the hard work you and some friends did. AdamR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 As Anthony said to make an application you need to apply for 10 fish. Having one spot taken up by a dwarf in my opinion isnt a big ask especially if I am prepared to put in the work for it. And there are way more fish considered to be dwarfs than apistogramma (which do have a blanket statement, as do Pelvicachromis i believe). You can look at fish such as candidi as Kev said, Biotodoma, dwarf pikes, Nannochromis. Im not sure what the status is of many small shelldwelling tangs, or the gobie cichlids. Id love to see some more catfish (easy to get on the market ones) and like Acanthicus adonis or the queen arabesce. "apistos a pretty good selection of dwarfs for the time being" I could say the same about any of the African species, we have more established species of Mbunas or Peacocks than the apistos in Australia. Either way Im happy to help out with whatever is needed. Just think how good it would feel to walk past a fish shop in 30 years time and see a fish that is only in there because of the hard work you and some friends did. AdamR ← I would be happier if I could walk past and see it in 2 years! But I agree with you, having another dwarf or two on the list would be fair. There are a lot of Africans already. Seems like some of the people out there have become cichlid snobs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Auburn Aquarium are currently preparing to submit 10 species also. This 10 species will be more controversial and take longer to asses. It is to include Peckoltia sp , Hypancistrus sp. Distochodus sp. Scleropages formosus, Synodontis angelicus plus some other wierd and wonderfulls I am still finalising. ← Unfortunatley the provision to apply for an entire genus is no longer availible, hence the need to apply for each species individually.← Just wondering how this works? I'm a bit confused on how you can put forward Peckoltia sp. but no blanket coverage for genus is available Or does it mean you can only import undescribed sp. and nothing with a full species name? ps. Big ups to Anthony and everyone involved in the putting together of these lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@nthony Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 I have not finalised exactley what species I will be applying for, hence the sp. As Nigel has allready mentioned overseas availibilty should play a big role in deciding the exact species at the end of the day. As to not overwhelme DEH, the Auburn Aq 10 species will not be finalised or submitted until early in the new year. Hope this clears up any confusion Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuong Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I'm pretty happy that they have listed a few rainbowfish. I would like to see the Golden Nugget Pleco Baryancistrus sp. (L018) added. Who else is willing to join me in campaigning for them? ← Yes! I would love to see L018 on the list, but they've rejected H. Zebra before. I would assume there isn't much difference between the two in terms of projected ecological impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'm pretty happy that they have listed a few rainbowfish. I would like to see the Golden Nugget Pleco Baryancistrus sp. (L018) added. Who else is willing to join me in campaigning for them? ← Yes! I would love to see L018 on the list, but they've rejected H. Zebra before. I would assume there isn't much difference between the two in terms of projected ecological impact. ← The Golden Nugget's feeding habit is almost identical to the Sailfins and Pleco that we currently keep. In fact its also fairly similar to the L168's as well. I'm not sure that its under threat in the wild to the extent that the L046 is. Anyone have info on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkoi Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I think the problem u will have with the gold nuggets (L18, L81, L177) is that they are scientifically undescribed species... hence their name is only Baryancistrus sp "Gold Nugget". I don't think that's acceptable (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Kev What is a nice looking common pleco on the open market. And I like your suggestion of candidi, though ive heard they are hard to find. Is that true? Thanks Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkoi Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Nice looking common pleco on the market..... G.gibbiceps. If they were importable, 3" fish would be available all year round for under $10ea possibly under $5. Trouble is u'll get a lot of resistance for the importation of these. The pleco breeders up north would be up in arms. Not many plecos are comercially bred. Adam, true that T.candidi are hard to find. None of the Apistogramma/dwarf cichlids are easy to find as such. Probably only A.cacatuoides and A.agassizi are bred large scale commercially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Here is a little bit of information about L number catfish. I understand from AQIS that because of all the L104s that came in they have asked DEH to either stop the importation or allow all L number catfish. So it will be interesting to see what happens there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Don't all catfish have an L number? And if not, they soon will Anthony, thanks for clearing up my sp. query. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtchye Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Wow allow all L numbers we can only hope! gibbiceps and joselimaianus over in Asia seem to be fairly common, and cost about $1 retail each there... but yeah when the pleco breeders here can corner the market on these it might be a bit bad for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormboy Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I understand from AQIS that because of all the L104s that came in they have asked DEH to either stop the importation or allow all L number catfish. All L numbers, holey schmoley! Surely that wouldnt cut it with governing bodies (not that I'm complaining) Where do those species that have both an L# and a scientific description fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keleher Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 how long would will it take them to decide if there gonna let all L numbers in or not weeks? months?years? just wondering if i should hold off blowing a few K in the middle of next yr.my gess is years james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Also I think you guys can forget about Zebra plecos I understand there CITES list or soon will be so you wont be able to get them. I think Kev might know more about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Well forget about wild caught ones anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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