ViS Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I was considering an 11w or a 16w inline. Is that overkill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cichlid_KB Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 If i havent had those fish before should i still be worried? Because i am. KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi Andy, I think it would be overkill I was thinking the same thing bigger the better but I was told 6w good for 4 ft -6 ft where the bigger ones do bigger systems. I would go 11w if you are doing a few tanks eg same trickle system. If you are going to go tank to tank 9w is plenty to do the job. I have mine running with a 403 and 404 cannister filter and I change the filter wool as soon as I go to a new tank then clean the canister with salt and hot water. Maybe im parinoid but I'm not taking any more risks. After using the UV I have noticed the fish are happier and seem to be eating more. (and no scratching also). If I would have know how and what it could do I would have brought them earlier. And to answer you question Cichlid_KB I would be as it is found in water there have been cases of this from just going fishing where the water quality is poor and getting this Mycobacteria from handling fish with fishmb. By having a UV Sterilizer in your tank it reduces the chances of you getting nasty pests in your water. It also controls algae. You may never come across anything like this in your lifetime of keeping fish but with the new fish here and some people's poor water quality there is a chance it could get in your water at some stage. Do you want to risk it.? It got me and I'm very careful with my fish and water. I dont use gloves but the way I started my syphon by mouth has stopped and adding a UV has reduced the chances of me getting sick again. HTH Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaman Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Guys, Just curious and this may be a silly question, but shouldn't the shipment of Psuedo. msobo Mgunga have been quarantined and shouldn't that have picked up and eradicated the disease? Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Richard, the disease does not manifest until sexual maturity apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 Hi Guys, I know that most things that come in don't stay in quarantine for all that long. How do you think they get new fish into the country ATM. The people that get them in Dont want the fish in there possession for that long. Straight in straight out. Why do you think most people lost there Labidiochromis perlmutt. Over 100 came in and at least 65 went belly up. Most people that had alot of experience lost them also. It's nice that the new fish are here but alot of shortcuts are happening and heaps of fish are dieing. That is the risk some of us take. Sometimes it works sometimes you lose. HTH Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Richard, I think the problem begins with the fact that import and quarantine laws are ignored to begin with. You don't think all these new species are appearing through legal channels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaman Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Mmmm, quite scary really. IMO this disease has the potential to impact the entire hobby/aquarium industry. Can you imagine someone entering the hobby if they knew that by keeping fish they ran the risk of becoming increadibly sick as crabros has? I just hope that this thing doesn't spread - things could get quite nasty... Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Once brett gets the results back from his biopsy, we can start discussing what to do next. Hopefully it won't all be bad news..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv426 Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Geez...I would never have thought such a disease was possible. I have been in the garden and in my fish tanks most of the weekend. Cuts all over. I mostly wash my hands before I put my hands in the tank, rarely after. Although the article doesn't mention whether this can be more or less prevalent in fresh water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abob Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 All my fish room has now been tested ALL CLEAR. I only had 2 6ft tanks that housed the Msobo in them with this bug Mycobacteria being present. They think I have Mycobacteria marinum or Mycobacteria fortuitum. Brett, This statement got me VERY INTERESTED. How did you test your fish room? I have a confirmed MB infection in some of my tanks and I am worried the rest may have despite my care in nmot cross contaminating. Any way to know they are/aren't infected would be very handy. Thanks, Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Hi Guys, I simply took samples of water with tank numbers on them to a vet that knows about fish. I have numbered all my tanks in my garage to record data eg gh and kh and temp even when I cleaned filter's and did water changes. When I do water changes I use a bucket for just clean water and one for waste water so there is no chance of contamination. I also have uv sterilizers going also now. HTH Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abob Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Ah, I didn't realise that they could test for it from water samples. Is it possible to test it ourselves with say a decent microscope or something? I do the same with clean/dirty buckets and a set of equipment for each group of tanks but I transfered some plants before I found the MB so I might have transfered it that way. PS, I hope everything turns out well for your illness. Thanks, Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 This is the first time I have read this article and it does sound quite scary indeed. I will certainly be buying a UV sterelizer just to be safe. Crabros, hope you get better soon. Sorry to hear about the infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hi Guys, Thanks for you comments I go under the knife in the new year to remove some of the lumps. Great way to start the new year. Anyway as soon as I have the results I will be posting it up here. Thanks again Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trofius Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 Hey Crabros best of luck with infection, you must have been unlucky to get it.. i did some reading on M marinium (as you probably have, for other that haven't) it is a oppertunistic pathogen so only really gets in if you have cuts etc, or are a tad immunocomprimised like most mycobactria it is very slow growing, for most mycobacterium medical culture takes up to 8 weeks, it can have a 13 hour replication speed (very slow) it has a pretty big infectious dose, ie you need to come in contact with a fair amount not just a few cells, can be a bugger to shake if you arn't 100% other more commonly heard of mycobacterium include tuberculosis, and leprosy, and a bird variety (avium) so they have the potential to be nasty. but all are treatable (eccept a few new forms of antibiotic resisitant turburculosis) Again hopefully it all works out and you are well again soon.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett4Perth Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 IMO this disease has the potential to impact the entire hobby/aquarium industry. Can you imagine someone entering the hobby if they knew that by keeping fish they ran the risk of becoming increadibly sick as crabros has? I suspect this is a bit of an over-reaction. With out taking anything away from the severity of Crabros's illness, it has to be emphasised that this is a very rare illness. You are more likely to be seriously injured while driving your car than by keeping fish. Does that mean we are all going to stop driving, I doubt it. This is not a new disease, we learnt about it 20+years ago when I was in medical school. You can catch it from almost any body of fresh water, if you are very unlucky. 20 years of practising medicine and have never seen a single case. By all means people should be careful and raising awareness of hobby specific problems is always worthwhile, but to quit fish keeping because of it would be an over reaction to such rare condition. Cheers Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaman Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Yeah - you could be right Brett - it may be an over-reaction. I certainly hope so. Why do I think this is so serious? Because of the incubation period - it doesn't manifest until sexual maturity...Can you imagine how many tanks could get infected by an active fish breeder if they're not aware their tanks harbour the disease? Wait a minute - I just realised - if they're sexually mature then you'll pick up the symptoms and before you sell the fry! Woo hoo, we're all safe Certainly strengthens the argument of not linking all your tanks together! Anyway like I say - hope you're right Cheers Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Maybe it strengthens the argument for linking your tanks Richard? That way you only need to raplce 1 UV bulb unit every few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Sorry to bring this u from the dead but i noticed a little bump on my middle finger today(like a wart). Do you reckon I'm being paranoid? Or, does this sound like the beginning of fish TB in humans? Its a round bump no bigger than 4-5mm in diameter. It feels hard and boney. the skin in top is whiter than the rest of my skin. Luckily my auntie is a dermatologist, so if it is this little nasty Ive identified it quickly and can get the right antibiotics for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Are you sure it's not a callus? I'd get your eyesight checked as well. They say it can make you go blind too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaman Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I was increadibly paranoid the other week regarding this...I pulled off the quick on my finger (as you do), then did some gardening (hands in the dirt) the next day. A few days later and my finger blew up (turned out to be a common infection). I was freaking out thinking that this fishy disease had got me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I use an internal uv on my tanks. I think they make a difference. With gravel cleaners, you don't have to suck on the hose to start them. I have seen a couple of "nasty sores" on 2 different people which came from fish, they weren't Tb but took for ever to heal. Frenchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Hi Guys, Well after being under the knife and being cut 4 times 2 in the right place and 2 in the wrong place to remove lumps only one had concern. After the biopsy it was confirmed the one in my elbow was Mycrobacterium fortum. Now next Monday Im going in to remove the other 5 lumps and go onto medication. Now I swear by my uv sterilizer to remove nasty little bugs. Have a nice day Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Good to hear ya getting some sort of resoloution to the problem brett, hopefully this disease cant be spread through fry. Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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