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I know many of us (myself included) rarely wear protective gloves when working on our tanks. We try to make sure our hands are clean and there isn't anything on them that can hurt our fish. But we don't always consider cleaning the tank any danger to ourselves (at least not unless they are so deep we stand a chance of falling in smile.gif). So I'm posting this info as a FYI; nothing to panic over. If your hands are free from open wounds (cuts/scratches) chances are EXTREMELY small one will catch anything; obviously this chance increases with open wounds. But do be sure to read the article posted below; forewarned is forearmed:

There is a disease one can catch from working in fish tanks; tis a distant cousin of Tuberculosis called Mycobacterium marinum. Its fairly rare, but without treatment it can be pretty serious. Theres a great article about it by Steve Pro here, which explains what it is and what can happen MUCH better then I (graphic pics near the end of the article so be warned):

Mycobacterium Marinum

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Hi Guys,

People that had the first lot of Psuedo. msobo Mgunga should be very careful.

The ones I had when they matured had nodules on them and external growths. I was told to remove them as this could be a sign of this type of problem.

I froze them and they are currently being examined by a vet.

The fish in question look fine then start to develop these growths with age.

HTH

Brett

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ohmy.gif Thanks for the heads-up. I often have various cuts on my hands and will now make sure I use an anti-septic soap routinesly and gloves if I have cuts. Not worth the risk.

Cheers,

Scienceman

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That's one vicious little aquarium disease! ohmy.gif

I've often worked on my tanks with cut hands....will be more carefult from here on.

Note that the article referred to poor water quality as higher indication of the likelihood of this disease.

Cheers

Richard

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This disease IS around. I have it in half my tanks (confirmed by a fish vet). grrr... I now wear elbow length gloves anytime I have to put my hands in the tank and have quarantined the affected and possibly affected tanks indefinately. The fish are still happy and breeding, I just find one shows symptoms and dies every month or two. I just can't bring myself to euthanize all the fish.

The symptoms I find are a fish will get a white ulcer on its side followed by pop-eye and/or bloat a few weeks later. It occurs in good water quality as well : It is present in my tanks where my apistos, angels and cories are CONSTANTLY spawning (not that i can do anything with the fry).

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Just a question ..is it possible to give our fish diseases from us? the human body is covered with an array of potential nasties, not all of them would survive in the aquarium but still what if..we have several types of bacteria and fungi and even some yeasts as natural body flora....and at the moment I even have chicken pox so who knows what the fishes might get.. maybe passed from dirty fingers to thge fishes via their food!!

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Great rolleyes.gif

Well I'm off to the doctors on Tuesday. I have msobo from the first shipment, so I'd better be safe than sorry.

Does anyone know if UVC will kill this disease? Like Brett, I'm getting a UV filter for my tanks, and hopefully I can wipe it out, if indeed it is present in my fish.

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I don't understand why this doesn't seem to have everyone worried.

There are a few of us that are but does everyone else not care or have they missed this post like I did?

Ben (Mr Age of Aquariums) better increase your stock holding on UV Sterilisers.

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I guess Ben its to do with the fact that many of us have been doing what we like for years without a problem, and its hard to get worried about something that has never caused problems in the past. I guess its a bit of the "she'll be right" attitude.

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I first read about Fish TB a long time ago. I think in a book about fancy goldfishes before I had even gone tropical. At first it really scared the pants off me. But like Gav says, "she'll be right"; that's just the Aussie way ohmy.gif

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Hi Guys -

The "msobo" that came in also had what I think was lymphocystis... at least that's how the growths looked to me. Lymphocystis is a viral disease and it is fairly common in ornamental species of tropical fish (particularly "painted" glassfish - I wonder why *groan*).

Lymphocystis is harmless to humans.

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imagin how many of us including my self have accidentally swallowed some tank water trying to get the siphon happing with the gravel cleaner? laugh.gif

Lol, that has happend alot of times to me!!! haha, once one of the tank i was siphoning was all brown.. then i swallowed abit oh god that tastes bad!!!!

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Hi Guys -

I dont think Brett is wrong. We had a very brief chat at the meeting about it and from what I understood he was telling me was that a vet pathologist told him these fish had Lymphocystis AND fish TB.

I can tell you they almost certainly had the former.

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Hi Guys,

This Lyphocystis is also called Cauliflower Disease it is viral easily recognised by wart like growths or nodules on the head and fins.

The virus causes the cell it infects to grow abnormally large called a giant cell. They are tumours.

Fish become emaciated and lose appetite. The fish get it from stress also.

There is no treatment at the moment for this virus.

Now for this Mycobacteria common infectection is by oral ingestion by eating contaminated food(especially mozzie larvae) or fish eating other fish with fishmb or by eating other fishes faeces.

Treatment to kill this little pest ( Tetracycline,Doxicycline,Erythromcyin)

OR JUST A UV STERILIZER. LOL.gif

It is in the water JUST because the fish are removed DOES NOT mean you have beaten this pest.

All my fish room has now been tested ALL CLEAR. I only had 2 6ft tanks that housed the Msobo in them with this bug Mycobacteria being present.

They think I have Mycobacteria marinum or Mycobacteria fortuitum.

I am going under the knife very soon to get a 100 % test done on this.

I used to syphon water from the hose starting it with my mouth this is how they believe I got it.

All my tanks are very clean so DONT THINK this couldn't HAPPEN to you.

I have been crook for 8 weeks it wasn't until I read this artical and took it to the doctors and showed them this artical.

I now have been to 3 doctors 2 specialists and a general surgeon ALL of them have NEVER heard of this Mycobacteria until they did a bit of research on it.

So if you start finding lumps in the arms,fingers or very swollen lymph glands at the elbows under the arm or in the groin GO and get checked out ASAP.

YOU NEVER KNOW YOU COULD HAVE THIS PEST.

This is not to scare you either just trying to make people very aware of it.

HTH

Brett woot.gifthumb.gif

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crikey! and I've always tried to tell people who neglect their fish that if you aren't game to drink their water why should their fish breathe it! blink.gif

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I used to syphon water from the hose starting it with my mouth this is how they believe I got it.

How do you kick off your siphoning now?

Cheers

Richard

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Hi Guys,

I use a small pond filter to start the syphon running then remove the hose from the pump. It is a pain but its better then doing it the old way. Now I'm just play it safe. I also have 2 uv sterilizers going all the time in different tanks each tank has the uv on it for 5 days to kill ANY nasty little bugs that decide to travel through the uv. LOL.gif

HTH

Brett woot.gif

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Surely if it's done very quickly (sucking the hose and releasing into a bucket) and no water actually get's into the mouth then people should be right? huh.gif

I honestly can't remember the last time my technique released any water into my mouth...I suppose that all it takes is one molecule of the virus to infect however! ohmy.gif

Cheers

Richard

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Hi Guys,

Mate I really dont care how people syphon there water from their tanks.

If you want to run the gauntlet all the time that's your choice.

I'm bringing this to peoples attention so others don't get what I have IT knocks you around. eg pain in the lymphnodes,swollen lumps in the arms sore joints

no energy.

I have been in this hobby for awhile now and you always get water in the hose that is left over. When you stop cleaning and move to the other end of your tank how do you start the hose again.? You can even get this Mycobacteria from just having cuts on your hands. Enters via the cut.

Have a think about it ? Are you cutting corners to get the job done more quickly.?

I know I wont be cutting corners EVEN with a UV sterilizer it cuts the risks but how do I know the water is safe.? You dont.

HTH

Brett woot.gif

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Hi Andy,

I brought a Pro Aqua hang on 6 w and I have a 9 watt inline going atm.

Boy you do notice the change in fish behaviour also. eg scratching quicker healing of wounds kill any ick and algae.

They are on special at FISH4U in Ingleburn for the MONTH of December.

I strongly recommend people get one.

You will be impressed. thumb.gif

HTH

Brett woot.gif

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