Burek Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 hi everyone. when ever i do a waterchange a few of my gombis die. i do 2, 20-30% waterchanges a week. they are in a 2ft by themselves. when i dont do waterchanges they areall normal. i use warm water with the dechlorinator. are they that delicate? Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 At a guess i would say its ammonia or chloramine. What brand of water conditioner are you useing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I have never liked the idea of using warm water from the tap. It has been sitting in your hot water heater all day. If I were you I would put cold water into your kettle and boil some and increase the water tempature that way or put a heater into the bucket/drum you are using for water changes and warm the water that way. Maybe I have missunderstood how you are warming the water. But this is what I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 Its called stresscoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 i get coldwater from the tap and warm water from the tap put it together, so the water is just warm enougth. then i put stress coat in while i am pouring the water in the tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I don't think stresscoat is a water conditioner? I was under the impression it was more like a secondary course to help mend the slime coat of injured or sick fish? I may be thinking of the wrong product though. Also, your water heater is most likely copper, with lots of copper piping. Having water sitting in the copper all day will effect the trace elements in the water and it will most likely be higher in copper than it "should" be. Personally I prefer heating the water in a different way (like has been said) or I believe straight from the tap cold water is a better option even, given the right water conditioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 You are useing the wrong water conditioner try safe or prime. I think it is the chlormine in the water that is killing them safe and prime remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrdog Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I agree with Ducksta, I don't think Stresscoat is a water conditioner either. Jamie. Sorry Nigel, you got in just before me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Stresscoat definitely is a water conditioner. http://www.aquatichouse.com/Water%20Condit.../StressCoat.asp I never thought so but my friend uses it and I read the label and it does claim to remove chlorine and chloramine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Well if thats the case he is not useing it aty the right dose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Stresscoat doesn't remove Ammonia though. Edit: BTW you should be adding the conditioner to the water before you put the water into the tank!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 ok.. ill try putting the conditioner before the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 um. Put the conditioner into the water in your bucket/barrel and then stir the water around, but do it before you put the water into the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 oh, lol i was about to put the conditioner in the tank then putting the water Lol ohhh now i get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 If you put the conditioner in the tank while you add the new water, you need to calculate dosage based on full tank volume, not change volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial-Cichlid Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way Your other fish must have been pretty hardy if this is how you normally do water changes. Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Come on Daniel. It is only a 2 foot tank. Go out and buy yourself a 20 litre bucket and use that to condition the water before putting it into the tank. The fish will be so much happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted July 15, 2004 Author Share Posted July 15, 2004 ok, thanks for the replies, so the way i was doing it wasent good right? i will do it liek you said CalvusTotheRescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial-Cichlid Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Think about it like this Daniel. Mix all the ingredients of a cake together except for flour, bake it and then add the flour afterwards. You won't achieve the desired result. So yes condition the water before it goes into the tank. Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stagfest Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Its really strange that everone has a different way of doing things, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. I misplaced all my chemicals when moving house and it was after 5pm. so fish shop closed. Called my friend who has oscars to borrow some chemicals. I almost died when he told me he doesn't use any!!! His fish are doing great. Close to a foot long...??? Can anyone explain this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Its just that some fish are stronger oscars are one of the strong ones. Its not the best thing to do not if you live in Sydney. Because of the drought thay are putting a lot of chemicals in the water i would guess as the dams get lower. So if the drought does not brake soon it will only get worse. So my advice to everyone is get yourself a good water ager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Just on Nigels point, I always though water conditioners were a bit of a waste of time. never used em. when I got my latest setup I was lucky enough to have a whole lot of water conditioner, and started using it. Gave some to my mum but she was pretty hit and miss at using it cos like me she never used it. never had a problem in nearly 20 years doing it that way. then one time she lost the entire contents of a 6x2 after a water change. some of the stuff couldn't be replaced as there was 10 and 15 year old fish in the tank that are no longer available. that was a hard lesson, but neither her nor I let even a drop of sydney water into our tanks without conditioning it first. Prime is excellent, but safe is even better and more economical. safe is one of the major components of prime, it just doesn't have the slime coating thing. its a powder. just to give you an idea though, you can pick up a massive tub of the stuff for $100. I bought some and have used it to condition close to 30,000 litres of water since I had it. I reckon I have maybe used 10% of the jar if I am VERY lucky. $100 for a lifetime of water changes for most people keeping fish. I reckon its a pretty damn good investment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 a lifetime? so it doesnt expire? sorry slightly off-topic, but if it never expires i might stock up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 It has unlimted shelf life i think Ducky. I have been useing safe for years and i change a lot of water both at home and in the quarantine room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial-Cichlid Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Even more off topic: why does it smell so bad and where can one purchase a tub for $100? Prime is proving to be expensive the further one goes into the hobby. Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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