intern1 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Just need some ideas for 2 breeding set ups set up 1 70cm x 50cm x 45cm thinking demasoni a colony of those open to anything else which would be interesting??? set up 2 it will be either 4ft x 2ft x 2ft or 5ft x 2ft x 2ft thinking frontosa + something else heard calvus do well with them or anything else which would be different??? For both setups looking at africans so free for opinions regards, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcloughlin2 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Both your tanks are really too small for your chosen fish. Well at least your first tank is far too small for any successful colony of demansoni. They often need to be kept in large numbers and then the size of the colony adjusts itself (Via males trying to kill each other - these are removed). I'd recommend at least a 3ft for a colony of demansoni with plenty of rocks. Frontosa really do best in larger colonies aswell, therefore being a bigger fish need at least a 5ft tank. So the 5x2x2 would be great but the 4x2x2 is too small. Calvus can do ok with frontosas but I'd recommend growing them up together as I have seen a colony of frontosa eat a colony of 10 adult gold compresscips. My choices would be a colony of shell dwellers with a small school of leptosoma malasa in Tank 1 and then a colony of calvus, colony of gobies and perhaps some cuckoo catfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucem Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I agree that you are likely to strike problems with demasoni in a small tank, but for some people it works (generally not the norm) I think the 5x2x2 would be fine for the frontosa. I currently have a colony of 1m and 4 f. I used to have 8 in the 5x2x2, but they would hold with that many fish. I took the advice of another breed to reduce the size of the colony and now I have a great, peaceful and productive colony. I keep my fronts with other species like Juli's, hecqui, gold comps and leleupi. You just need to have rocks or secure places for these guys to get away. I also wouldn't add these fish to an adult colony of frontosa. The exception to this was recently I moved my adult colony to a 6x20, so I added the smaller fish a day before moving the fronts. This way they could check out the tank, become a little familiar with it and find their territory. There is always a risk that one day the fronts will feel a little peckish for some "live food", but I haven't lost a fish to a Front (other than fry) in 5 years. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theantmac Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 i have heard of and seen many times frontosa being in tanks which most people would consider too small. i currently house 1 male and 4 female kigoma frontosas in a 100gallon tank which is the equivalent of a 4x2x2 and i wouldnt say thats too small either as i was looking to buy more. i have heard of frontosa barundis being bred in a standard 6ft tank which would be smaller than a 4x2x2 but thats probly not the best idea. it also depends alot on your filteration and the amount of water you change and the frequency of your water changes. i have over-filtration. the amount you feed will also determine the bio-load on your filter..... so it all has to be taken into consideration because they do grow into a large fish and eat lots but they are playful and have character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcloughlin2 Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 My concern with housing a frontosa colony in a 4x2x2 is it does not have the length needed for females to get away from dominant males. I've breed frontosas in 6'x18"x2' with no issues but believe me the extra 60cm length was important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern1 Posted August 23, 2009 Author Share Posted August 23, 2009 New idea set up 1 70cm x 50cm x 45cm still not certain what im going to put in here i might look at some peacocks such as red rubin or Aulonocara baenschi set up 2 it will be a definite 5ft x 2ft x 2ft Otopharynx lithobates sulfur crest or domwe island placidochromis "Phenochilus Tanzania" star sapphire labidochromis caeruleus "electric yellow" For both setups looking at africans so free for opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern1 Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 New idea set up 1 70cm x 50cm x 45cm still not certain what im going to put in here i might look at some peacocks such as red rubin or Aulonocara baenschi set up 2 it will be a definite 5ft x 2ft x 2ft Otopharynx lithobates sulfur crest or domwe island placidochromis "Phenochilus Tanzania" star sapphire labidochromis caeruleus "electric yellow" For both setups looking at africans so free for opinions Does anyone have any ideas or comments about these two set ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcloughlin2 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Peacocks would do best in a larger tank. Other tank should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern1 Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 now to find the fish for tank 2 if anyone knows anyone in regards to the lithobates and placidochromis tanzania pm or leave a msg here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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