adman Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 Hi Everyone i was just wondering if you are allowed to import these little fellows into australia?and does anyone no bout the whole quarantine thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 They are not an allowable import. Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OziOscar Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 You may see them around from time to time, but they may be bred from very old imports. The price asked reflects the rarity in this market and the potential of having a visit from law enforcement asking some potentially difficult questions and possibly confiscating the livestock. Not a legal import AFAIK. Cheers - OziOscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emp1re Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 since importation was banned around 30 years ago, and L046 was only discover in 1991, therefore L046 in aus could only be from long distance swimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boots n all Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 $650 each @3.5cm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 since importation was banned around 30 years ago, and L046 was only discover in 1991, therefore L046 in aus could only be from long distance swimmer. Another fish that can change from freshwater to salt and back again! The possibility of this fish becoming available on the import list is so low that you would be better off buying from Boots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 so is it fact that small numbers of zebras are bred locally? price wise they still hold their value hey, considering they only have small broods. Tam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OziOscar Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hey Tam re: bred locally I am only guessing that they are bred locally. The examples I have seen would appear to be less than 30 years old. Just keep your eyes peeled and your money-clip open and pray to the fish-gods that your potential investment doesn't need the Royal Doulton "burial at sea" ritual, if it will fit. :D Of course, I could have mistaken what I saw, if I indeed saw it... and can't be sure that I did, Your Honour. Maybe I had a few martinis too many but didn't drive, Your Honour. :D Etc. Cheers - OziOscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmania Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 hey all from what ive heard from an admininistrator at a different forum(being a catfish only forum), L046 are going for around $850. now as that is a bit steep for me i didn;t look any further into it and as it's an unallowable import i'm assuming it's locally bred stock , and of a sub adult to adult size and apparently not so hard to come by. The fact that this fish can go from fresh water to salt and back again, and that its had huge infestations in the u.s in rivers and what not destroying food sources for local fish there is brobably why you cant import them here. cheers fishmania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boots n all Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 What have you been reading? this fish can not go from fresh to salt and is not breeding in the USA in their local water ways, this fish is hard to spawn and only has very small numbers per spawn and does not spawn that often, please do some real research before you make these statements let me help you http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/speci...?species_id=168 P.s l can sell you some 3.5cm for $650 and you can throw them into some salt water and prove me wrong if like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 its funny how people just believe what they hear from others... like what Boots n all said, they are extremely difficult to breed. They are a rare species mate even though quite a few small numbers have poped up recently. They are getting rare by the day as in the wild they are under threat and other poached and i think to an extent they are protected also. Not many people would want to sell off sub-adults/ adults, they take quite a long time to grow and mature to breeding size. Even then they are like a lucky dip in relation to getting them to spawn. Even people who have bred them wouldn't know exactly how they triggered them to spawn. Tam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10050460 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 i think maybe fishmania might be sarcastic? r u fishmania? or did you really get your info from somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfishLegacy Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 This thread looks pretty funny if you read from first to last Another fish that can change from freshwater to salt and back again! Wui39, referring to the "long-distance swimmers" that make it all the way here from South America. Or in other words: Illegally imported fish. The fact that this fish can go from fresh water to salt and back again, and that its had huge infestations in the u.s in rivers and what not destroying food sources for local fish there is brobably why you cant import them here. Fishmania taking Wui39's jest literally, and referring to the problem with "plecos" (mostly large Ptergoplichthys sp.) that have been released into some North American waterways. What have you been reading? this fish can not go from fresh to salt and is not breeding in the USA in their local water ways, this fish is hard to spawn and only has very small numbers per spawn and does not spawn that often, please do some real research before you make these statements Boots having a go at Fishmania without reading the rest of the thread Keep them coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmania Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 For all the uninformed people here is some info on "pleco's" for you The loricariids are perhaps the most highly evolved catfish family. There are about 80 genera and at least 600 species. Five subfamilies are recognised: Ancistrinae (containing Hypancistrus, Panaque, Dekeyseria and Peckoltia), Hypostominae, Hypoptopomatinae, Loricariinae, Neoplecostominae. Burgess (1989) reported that some Ancistrinae and Hypostomus can tolerate brackish water. Hypancistrus zebra facts:(on ability to survive in "alien" waters i.e US rivers) a) the species‘ ability to utilise atmospheric air, tolerate wide fluctuations in water temperature, conditions, and rate of flow; b) their ability to scavenge; c) their habit of parental care, ensuring better survival chances for the young. Aquarium literature reports that the species are usually hard to breed but surely that is because they cannot adopt their normal spawning behaviour, or have suitable requirements (like mud banks) in an aquarium; d) their ability to burrow, their crepuscular habits, and their tough skin would ensure that predators would have difficulty finding and eating them; and e) the loricariids could survive in dry watercourses Now if you can read very well you will know that the Hypancistrus zebra belongs to the Ancistrinae family and that some of the Ancistrinae (including the Hypancistrus zebra!!!!) CAN tolerate brackish water. For all those people who don't know what brackish water means , its fresh water going in to salt water e.g river mouths!!!! So maybe people other than myself need to do real research not just make comments on topics and issues which they obviously have limited knowledge of Now I cant find the site where a newspaper in the U.S and an ecological research team reported the infestation but when I do i will post for you to see yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoges Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Please keep this topic both friendly and on-track, otherwise I will continue to remove posts and the topic will be locked. There is no need to laugh and each other or get angry. We are all here to have a discussion about something and people stirring for the sake of it will not be tolerated. I'd be interested to see your article about the zebras in America, fishmania! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palpatine Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I think the infestation you're referring to is the gibbicep "plague" that seems to be taking over the mississippi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmania Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hey palpatine i know about that too but it was definately a L046 infestation not gibbi. i'm still searching for that article which seems to be eluding me(you can never find something when you need it only when you dont need it do you seem to find it ) but as soon as i do ill post it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcloughlin2 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Fishmania, I would love to read this article of yours ... Please try to find it ... However i highly doubt the infestation is of zebra plecos .. Zebra plecos are very hard to breed, quite expensive and they are still pretty rare even in america ... The chance of a male and female being released in a river is very very low .. For comparison, would you release a male and female 7bar frontosas into a river when you could sell them for for $100 each ...? I also disagree with you on one point .. im not a catfish person, but i keep and breed bristlenose, and everytime i add salt to the tank, they always die .. I lost 2 the other day because i added rift lake salt to the tank not thinking ... Now some plecos may be able to tolerate brackish water but there is no way they would swim across the ocean in salt water ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boots n all Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 "Now some plecos may be able to tolerate brackish water but there is no way they would swim across the ocean in salt water ... " Ahhhhhhhhhh, yes but what a great way to beat the import laws what do you mean smuggle officer, l found them on the beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmania Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 hey all just to clear things up, i dont beleive i wrote anywhere that plecos can swim across any ocean i wrote that they can go from salt to fresh and back again meaning they can go from a river to the river mouth(brackish salt water) and back up the river again. As for your BN's dying from afdding rift lake salt I used to keep my breeding bristles in a maingano tank which i added rift lake salt to and aquaruim salt and they were fine. Never lost any bistlenoses. Nowadays they are kept separate with no rift lake salt but i do add 2 tablespoons of salt to their water initially when i set it up and add whatever gets taken out after water change. Maybe i just have freaks of nature i dont know Anyway comparing a pleco to a BN, well pleco are an armoured catfish and I beleive are much tougher than a bristle nose buyt thats my opinion. Everyones entitled to their own opinion im just talking from my experiences and what ive read and believe but hey i could be wrong i dunno. For all those interested i'm still looking for the article. Will post asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I always thought bristlenose were plecos too? Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10050460 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 bristlenose is catfish, and pleco is catfish too! and mcloughlin2, i think maybe you thought wrong, when fishmania said saltwater, i think what he meant was "river to the river mouth(brackish salt water) and back up the river again." , like monos and scats. i think thats what most people would have thought right! must be very naive to think the catfish can swim in ocean water! not saying you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcloughlin2 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 i think thats what most people would have thought right! must be very naive to think the catfish can swim in ocean water! not saying you are! LOL There is at least one other person who read the comment the way i did !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfishLegacy Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Fishmania, I don't know if you are for real, but I think a few things need clearing up. Another fish that can change from freshwater to salt and back again! This part of Wui39's post is basically Australian hobbiest/fish forum slang for illegally imported fish. He can clarify this if he wants to, but I doubt very much this referred to any species of Loricariidae being able to tolerate salt water. As I said, it is slang, because government departments have been known to read a fish forum or two. It very true that this family of catfish is highly evolved and some species are extrodinarily adaptable. I say some species because Hypancistrus zebra does not fall into this category. They are one of the more specialised members of the family and specialised animals generally have a low tolerance for change, and very low adaptability to conditions they are not used to. Some members of the family, most notably Ancistrus, Liposarcus and Pterygoplichthys, have been found to tolerate slighty brackish conditions. The main reason for this would be to take advantage of different areas for feeding. It is doubtful that Hypancistrus zebra would have any reason to tolerate brackish water as they simply wouldn't come into contact with it anywhere in their known habitat of the middle Rio Xingu. Why would they adapt to tolerate a condition they have most likely never encountered? Anyone keeping this fish will tell you they don't move out of their own little territory much. Certainly not 500 or 600 kilometres downstream and into the main channel of the Amazon, then towards a tidal zone. As far as introduced populations of Hypancistrus zebra go, if you can show me the proof, I'll believe it no question. Without proof I would have to side with mcloughlin2 on this one. The most likely reason for someone to deliberately release a fish would be it has outgrown their tank and they can't find a shop to take it. A Zebra is unlikely to outgrow even a modest sized aquarium, and no shop would turn down an unwanted one. Even in a country with better importation laws then ours, such as America, Zebras are a highly sought after fish. Why would someone throw them away? There are many introduced fish that have colonised the warmer parts of the United States, all them tough, adaptable and able to produce thousands of young. Zebras do not fall into this category. Here is a list of species with populations in Florida: http://myfwc.com/fishing/fishes/non-native.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndoboi Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Good post, hopefully clearing up all the crap that has preceded it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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