aymenz Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 hey guys please i need some help here... i moved from american cichlids to tang cichlids.... i set up a 3 footer for them...... and also i used crushed marble as a subtrate... and i increased the PH to 8.5 using some salt buffering...... the temperature is about 27-28 C..... i'm running a via aqua canister 230 professional...... the water parametres are good so far...... caves are used..... as well....but today i came and i found that 4 calvus about 4 cm in size are gone (dead) , these are the only ones i had...... but all i have left now is 6 , 6 bar frontosas which are breathing heavily.... nd i don't wanna loose them as well ..... the calvus were breathing heavy yesterday but they were swimming as well ...... so i don't know what's the problem here... also to add, i put them food , but it stays there without being eaten by any !!!!!... please guys help..... this is my first time with tangs and i done alot of readings about them.... and done what i read .... and i really don't wanna risk it again..... i just want to know the problem i have in the tank....... thx in adv. c ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaomar Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 hi ayman you done 2 much of a water change and calvus can't handle that big of a water change it is that there is no backteria in the tank the tank should be cycling for at least 2 weeks i hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 Have you got an Air-stone or the like going in the tank or is there surface agitation to airate the water...when did you last change the water and what is the process you use for water changes with the Tang's?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted January 15, 2004 Author Share Posted January 15, 2004 hey omar i don't need this now ok.......as i said lost 4 calvus u were there, why didn't ya say that on the spot hey mazimbwe... well the fish were with a friend of mine... i bought them from him and i moved them to my house..... so i cleaned the canister because it was running on an american tank.... and i filled the tank with water.......... the process is not implemeted yet... but all i done is listed in the 1st post mate.... that's all..... i was looking for an air pump...but my stuffed up car stuffed up with me, even though i called nigel and he told me about his air pumps and i was going to get one of him and install it straight away but tough luck do i still need an air stone for the frontosas ?????? as they're breathing heavily as well..... thx for the replies guys. c ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 From what i can gather you need to remove the uneaten food if you havnt already done so .. Sounds like ammonia spike to me and low oxygen level.. A VA 230 cannister is too small for a 3' tank on its own more filtration will be needed.. The higher the PH the smallest amount of ammonia can be toxic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalion Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 hi aymenz I am sure you've checked basic water parameters already. If you didn't, then please do so for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. Kinda quick fix for me was to put water primer (like Prime) or water conditioner (for ammonia etc). However it is not the best solution. Too many fish in a limited space would be a problem. So air pump would be an idea as well. hope this will help. Sorry to hear you lost fish. Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted January 15, 2004 Author Share Posted January 15, 2004 thx guys for all the replies.... i'll try my best to fix up the tank.... thx again regards aymen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels87_o_O Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 G'day, How long has tank been cycling for? What were the Ph levels in your friends tank? Sounds to me they are suffering from Ph shock, if your friend's tank has a different Ph to yours, then I'd say its Ph shock. This has happened to me before (luckily no deaths thanks to DWD ), have you got any other existing tank? What's the Ph from your tap water? If it's close to your friends one you can mix your age water along with the tap water then slowly add more of the age water every half an hour and let the fish slowly adapt to the new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels87_o_O Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 Hmmm... 2:17am, insomnia Anyways, why did you clean out the filter? Well it's okay if your tank has been around for a while (best if you cleaned it with your tank water) but you also did a water change, that just means more trouble. Get a few buckets of your friends water and mix it in with your tank, it should help I quess otherwise return the fish until your tank has settle. The fish you have a worth quite alot there. Americans are cool~ I don't think i'm making any sense LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted January 15, 2004 Author Share Posted January 15, 2004 hey nelson unfortunatlely the 3 footer that used to house the calvus and the frontosas at my friend's house is the same one i have at my house now.... which means that to move it i need to empty all the water out of it and then move the fish in a bucket and then set the tank all over again..... and yeah i think it's a PH shock.... because my friend only used the crushed marbles as subtrate but never buffered the water now after the death of the calvus i knew that u need some air flow in the tank, using a air stone , but damn i don't have one... so i just the water outler from the canister is now on the top of the hood and it's dripping like a small water fall, which bringing some air bubbles into the water and also all the obstacles that used to be on the surface are gone.. and the frontosas seems settled now.... thx for everything guys , i really appreciate all replies. c ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels87_o_O Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 LOL!! It's not your friends fault HAHA Sounds like you just fill up your tank with tap water and away you go, otherwise how long has the tank been cycling for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Aymenz, It sounds like you are trying to save a little money by not putting an airstone in your tank. It'll only cost you a small amount in electricity over a year so I think it would be a good investment. One day your filter may breakdown and you'll come home and see your tank with a similar problem as this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirulis Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 the bubbles from an airstone do practically nothing in the way of increasing oxygen in the water, apart from slightly agitating the surface. Most oxygen is absorbed through the water surface so as long as the surface is moving enough you should have no problem with oxygen levels in the tank. So you are better off getting a spaybar for filter outlet and have the water coming out parrelel to and just under the surface. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 By relying on your filter to do too many jobs you are asking for trouble. Certainly use it as the main way for oxygen to be absorbed into the water through surface agitation, but a backup plan is a must. If you accidently fill the water too high after a water change, forget to turn the filter back on (after feeding or a water change), or if the filter simply breaksdown then you will be learning the lesson the hard way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 rodney rodney rodney didn't you read my reply to nelson i told ya my car doesn't move, there's a problem with it.... plus i'm not gonna be tied on an air pump i already got one yesterday.. and the fish are doing fine...... but i learned from my mistake, if it was a mistake because i couldn't go anywhere to get an air pump....... anyway thx for the replies..... c ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 May I ask what lesson did you learn? Did you end up getting an air pump or not? PS. Why ask for advice when you are not willing to take any? BTW I am sure one of your cousins would have helped you out by driving you to get an airpump!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 hey rod.... i got an air pump , after taking omar dad's car i couldn't get an air pump in the same day i was setting up the tank because abdulrahim was @ work, so as omar but now everything is allright the fronties and the gombies are happy btw do u have any calvus for sale..any size ???? thx anyway rod c ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Hi Aymenz. It is great to hear that you got the air pump. Sorry, no calvus for sale. I wish I had some, but not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colfish Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 amyenz i read this post when it fist came up.i was so annoyed by your attitude and ignorance i immeadiately typed out a scathing reply.after reading my reply ,in my own self interest i did not send it.(this is a public forum)after 3 days my anger has reduced to contempt Rodney and other people offered you plausable reasons why your actions caused the death of these fish.while the lackof an air pump is secondary to the problem all you cryed about was a broken down car.changing from SA to TANGS obviously recquires more thought than you gave it.the question of leaning a lesson from this abuse was asked- have you?and you want more of these fish. i realise a good deal may have been offered to you and you didnt know how to handle it. most of your threads are about health problems and although this is a place to ask questions i suggest you do ten times more research and then be a little more humble and ask appropiate questions.i also suggest you start with tangs a bit tougher,and consider an upgrade of your equipment. I am saddened by the death of such beatifull fish from not understanding thier requirements !!!! colfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipsqeek Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 The only real way to get air into the water is by breaking the water surface by letting the water coming out of the filter to exit the outlet hose above the water level. To me, air stones are just ornamental things, but they do create turbulance and move the surface water around, but do not break the water tension on the surface enough to really airate the tank. You can always have a powerhead sitting in the corner facing up alittle to create a current coming out of the water, also aggetating the water surface. You probably already know this. Clean out the filter only with water from the tank. This keeps the bacteria in the filter media rather than washing all that hard work away with a hose. When transfering fish, I try to replicate the water they were in previously. Sometimes I even test the persons water I bought them off. Some forum members here might know me. My two (2) cents. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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