ViS Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 This photo comes from another member. He was sold them as Pseudotropheus estherae. They seem far too yellow to be estherae to me, and almost a labidochromis shape, not a pseudotropheus? However I'd still pick them as a Pseudotropheus, as I think it's the angle of the shot. I left the EY in the bottom pic to show colour difference, and no I don't believe he had yellows and estherae breeding in the same tank. He bought the "estherae" and has just grown them up in a display tank. Any guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceswithDingoes Posted May 14, 2005 Share Posted May 14, 2005 Male barlowi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I agree it looks like a male barlowi. Andy did they provide you any information regarding the behaviour of the fish as male barlowi are territorial and love to burrow? Are they all like this one? Gerard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 Sorry Ged I'll try and get more info. All the info I got was what was put on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 looks to me like one of those line bred e-yellows without the black stripe. Or its a male lombardoi, they often are seen without the stripes. Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 looks to me like one of those line bred e-yellows without the black stripe. I agree. It is not a male P. barlowi; the shape is wrong. It definately has the Lab. shape and markings of the yellow (minus the black). Andrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 I doubt they LFS would have sold it as an estherae if they could have advertised it as a linebred yellow for more money though surely? You'd think that whoever owned it (if indeed it is a linebred yellow) would know that for sure? I'm not convinced it's a linebred yellow at all (particularly since we still haven't seen photos of one from those who supposedly have them in their tanks ). It still has the zebra "bump" on the forehead, which yellows don't have. Labs seem to have a sloping forehead which flows into the nose, where zebs have a rounder forehead and a distinct nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Tangerine x yellow then perhaps Definately not a barlowi though. Andrea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vieja Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 let me say first.... i don't know... HOWEVER... i have seen fish called orange chromides which looked similar at LFS... they were only 2" though... HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Im almost 100% sure its not a orange chromide. Otherwise i have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vieja Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Im almost 100% sure its not a orange chromide. Otherwise i have no idea. ← told you i don't know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 After taking a second look it does look to me asthough it's a lombardoi or lombardoi hybrid. It could well be yellow x lombardoi. The reason i say this is because lombardoi have the highlights that this fish has but the head and eyes definately look like a yellow (yellow eyes). Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroyd Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I've seen a few fish like this. Some are clearly hybrids and throw fry that are very like electric yellows. Some (diff. line?) seem to breed true. They are sold as lemon zebs or gold zebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceswithDingoes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Looks pretty similar to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 I had a look in Malawi Cichlids in their Natural Habitat at the Ps. barlowi and the males show the blue in the dorsal fin and lack the yellow pigmentation around the eyes. Merjo I know you stated that the shape was wrong is there other reasons why you don't think it is Ps. barlowi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 i have owned and bred barlowi and e. yellows and neither of them look much like the pic but im guessing hybrid as barlowi dont have the spots but lombardoi do from some that i have seen so id cull it personally but its up to the owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceswithDingoes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Be aware of comparing fish in some of the cichlid books as often the traits of the wild varieties get lost in the breeding program sometimes. I do agree there are some minor irregularities that have me thinking this fish is of poor quality or dubious background, but it has too many of the barlowi features to discount totally, as I can see the dorsal is the only varient as it has little blue and the top stripe is more whitish than yellow. As for spots if you mean egg spots male barlowi often have one or two egg spots (see pic above.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceswithDingoes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Looking at the lombardoi possibility has merit: I still think there's barlowi in there though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanceswithDingoes Posted May 15, 2005 Share Posted May 15, 2005 Just sent the pic to a mate who came back immediately with lombardoi, and a good one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 I was under the impression that both males and females of this fish were this colour, but I will confirm. If so, it rules out lomardoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted May 15, 2005 Author Share Posted May 15, 2005 It certainly looks like the correct patterning in the fins though http://www.callesdyrerige.dk/images/lombardoi.jpg http://www.abysse-cichlides.com/images/Pse...20lombardoi.jpg http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com/aquarium/mbuna_64.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 i am 100% certain its not a barlowi, i would bet my short and curlies on it. i had them for 18 months and not one that I owned lacked at least some blue in its dorsal fin. I think it looks like an estherae, i have seen some going around lately with more of a yellow colour than orange. one went through the mini auction last week that had virtually the same colour as this one and all doing the auction agreed it was an estherae, albeit with unusual colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Have a look at the Gome variation of estherae. http://january.ru/malawi/metriaclima/estherae/6.html This is an O-morph pictured. Ged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeyBoyR Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 That sloping forehead is very lab., I am leaning towads hybrid. Perhaps lombardoi/e. yellow cross? The body looks too stocky and wide at the beginning of the dorsal fin to be pure zebra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Im not certain but to me it looks like one of the yellow yellow`s. Andy if ya really want to see pics of these yellow yellows shoot me a PM and il tell ya whos breeding them, he has posted pics of them before but i just found the post and they have all been removed, im sure he would prob show you privatley if you asked nicley though. Shoot me a PM if ya really keen to find out.... Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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