Richard Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Okay so you can call me BORED .. but I was just looking at the old SCP forum and found a post in the classified that titled L. ocellatus "silver stream". I was just wondering does anyone have these or have heard of them? This is the first time i've heard about this variant on ocellatus so if anyone has information on these guys please do reply! cheers; Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWs Fish Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Yea they are here. There was some for sale very cheap at the NSWCS auctions about 6 months ago or so. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Nice looking fish. I had them for a short while. They would still be around if you ask I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guido58 Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 Okay so you can call me BORED .. but I was just looking at the old SCP forum and found a post in the classified that titled L. ocellatus "silver stream". I was just wondering does anyone have these or have heard of them? This is the first time i've heard about this variant on ocellatus so if anyone has information on these guys please do reply! cheers; Richard ← I bought a pair at the NSWCA October auction, grown out to 40-45mm would sell if your interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisso81 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thought I might just revive this thread with the news that my trio have just had there first spawn Just curious to hear from any other keepers about the size of the spawns. I can only see 3 fry, and I'm not sure whether they have small spawns, or whether I've missed the vital days of feeding and they've been dropping off from starvation. My gold occies used to have 25+ spawns, so I was hoping for similar numbers. Even if people are keeping blacks, what size spawns are coming out of those guys? Cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Congrats on the spawn, Chris. Would you mind telling me how big were your trio? What size tank were they in? Did you condition them prior to spawning? Can you tell the differences between the M and F? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hey Chris; The pair of blacks i have only had about 8 fry for their first spawn, they're not adult size just afew centimetres off, how big are you silvers? cheers; Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisso81 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Alrighty then, here's the run down: I bought 8, and popped em all into a 2X18X18 to grow out, had 2 jump which left me with my current 6. These 6 are still in the 2ft, I have used lots of rocks to divide the floor up into little territories, all have shells, kind of like occie town houses! The trio is not really a trio yet, but I believe I only have 2 girls, so a male will be chosen to go with them. I may actually keep them as 2 pairs, still undecided tho. The dominant male (who I believe to be the breeder) is only about 4cm, and the girls are 3.5 cm (the one that bred) and 3cm. I didn't intentionally condition them, but have been feeding frozen brine once a week as a treat and NLS 1mm cichlid formula is their staple. Which they absolutely LOVE btw. The females have a lighter brown patterning over the body (but it can become very strong when flaring at each other), and they get a very distinct white stripe at the top of their dorsal fins. I will have to really study them, but I think the girls are a little more yellow on their tummys and pectoral fins as well. These are the only differences I can tell at the moment, apart from the size difference. I was starting to worry that I only had boys for a while HTH, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks for that Chris. I've also have 6 in a std 2ft tank with rocks and shells scattered about. Mine are also pretty much the same sizes as yours, but I'm yet to see how many of each sex i've got. I'll keep a better eye out for the lighter brown patterning, and dorsal fin colouration. What sort of filtration do you have? Do keep us updated and post pics if you can. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisso81 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I'm just running an Otto internal, 400lph I think, I have 3 cups, 2 with the supplied sponge, and the third is full of ceramic noodles. So far I would have to say that the white stripe on the dorsal is the best indicator of sex, the males have it too, but the girls are a lot thicker, and it is a very bright white. Will try n post some pics later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Yes that would be great if you could. I will post mine up when I get a chance to take some photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colfish Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 hi Chris how old do you think the fry are?. even though the pr are only young, they would've had more than 3. my guess? the fry have wandered into other territory and been snapped up. if you have the room, split them into 2 prs. you will have more success in rearing the fry. b/b/ shrimp are the top tucker but finely crushed flake will do good luck, we need more of these guys. cheers; Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndoboi Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Hi Chris. Can you post some piccies up???? Well done with the spawn too Cheers Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 these are pics of my silverstreams sleeping. I had the light off, only the room light to work with - surprised they came out relatively bright. I think the 1st pic is a male and the 2nd pic is a female? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisso81 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Nice novafishy! Yes, I would agree that the second pic is the female, but you never know! Steve, sorry dude, but it may be a while before I can post pics. No comp at home and I work in a Primary School: the stupid net nanny wont even let me onto photobucket! Soon tho, soon! Colin, the problem was that I never noticed the fry, so I never fed bbs. I estimate that the fry would be at least 7-10 days old, and they would have had a hard time sucking down an NLS pellet, even tho it was the 1mm So yeah, starvation and predation seem to be the big killer here, D'oh! Another issue I've now noticed is that the otto swirls the water so much that the fry have a hard time getting bbs without having to venture away from the safety of mum and the shell. Are you keeping silver streams as well? I think I will definitely go for 2 pairs, still just letting them grow up a bit. Cheers guys, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 Hey Chris; When i first noticed my fry they were already free swimming and roaming around everywhere in the two footer, i only have a pair of black occies. But anyway i assumed they would be about 7-10 days old as thats the time they usually take to hatch, well anyway because of that i didn't prepare any food for them so i just grinded up the NLS cichlid formula and have been feeding them that since. Its been more then a month since they've hatched now and all are showing good growth rate, just about 8-9mm and showing some colouration also. I dont think the ones you lost were from starvation, as im sure they would have found some food somewhere, maybe put in a rock with algae covered over it into the tank next time just in case they breed again and you don't notice it they still have something to eat. But anyway goodluck with them mate I was just wondering whats the most generations of fry peole have raised with a single pair of occies before the parents became territorial. My fry now seem like they are taking over the tank, the parents tend to scare them away from each others territory, but with no intention to hurt them. Should i take out the fry and place them in a saver? Any past experiences are welcome. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Chris, if you email me your pics, i can post it up for ya no probs. so out of your 6, you believe you only have 2 girls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisso81 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I was just wondering whats the most generations of fry peole have raised with a single pair of occies before the parents became territorial. My fry now seem like they are taking over the tank, the parents tend to scare them away from each others territory, but with no intention to hurt them. Should i take out the fry and place them in a saver? Any past experiences are welcome. Richard ← Hey Rich, my personal experience was this: 1 pair gold occies, 2X12X12. Male and female lived at opposite ends of the tank, they would spawn, then when they were ready for a new spawn the kids would have to move down to dads house. Mum would pick off a few to protect her new spawn, and I think dad may have eaten some too, anyway, the first spawn would always start to dwindle when the new kids arrived. At this stage they are big enough to move, so just fish em out and get em into a new tank or saver. Its like any fry that you leave in a breeding tank, most will get picked off but a few will manage to grow to a decent size, it depends on how many you want save of course. Actually, I wouldn't recommend a fry saver. I put 10 1cm fry in one, after about a month there was only 3 left as one small male had become hyper dominant and tried to claim the whole saver as his own. On the subject of silver fry, I meant that they had been free swimming for at least 7-10 days, and in that time I did not feed em once. Some may have starved, but I am suspecting that in their attempts to get food they have ventured from the safety of the parental shell and into the 'danger zone' and have subsequently been picked off by the others. As of this morning I could only see 1 fry. Anyway, I'm not fussed, as soon as I get the pairs into their own tanks I'm sure there will be lots of hungry mouths to feed. Thanks for the offer nova, when I get some better pics I will get back to you, will probably just head to a mates and do it there. Yeah, out of the 6 only 2 girls, the others are too big and feisty to be girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart74 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Chris, You know where the *Non Nanny* PC is when you want to drop in and post the Pic's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colfish Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 hi Chris now would be the best time to seperate the breeding pr from the rest of the group. they will continue their breeding cycle unhindered by the others. yes i do keep silvers, as well as others cheers; Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 Col do you think i should leave my fry in there or take them out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colfish Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Col do you think i should leave my fry in there or take them out? ← hi Richard some prs will tolerate multiple spawns while others see the current spawn a threat to the next and will eliminate them i find this behaviour is prevelant in young prs and they do become mellow [if occies can be] after a few consecutive spawns. if you want to try this method, i'd suggest you remove at least half the fry. a pile of small rocks, as far away from the shells as possible would be a big help. cheers; C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 Hey Col; Thanks for that advice mate, but i don't think i'll have to worry with this young pair, the feamles guarding some new fry at the moment! These guys just keep surprising me again and again! Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 GOod work Richard! Must be your late nite story telling and sweet talk that's getting them excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 GOod work Richard! Must be your late nite story telling and sweet talk that's getting them excited :LOL: :LOL: ← Thanks for the tip Wes! Wouldn't have worked if you didn't reveal me you're secret Looks like your voice ain't top notch orelse yours would be breeding like mine aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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