davez104 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi all, I've got a few Victorians that I would like to find out a bit more about. I bought two groups of adult fish, both supposedly Xystichromis phytophagus. While both lots of fish are very nice, they are not the same. If anybody has any knowledge of these fish I am keen to listen. I have a hunch that the fish in the first photo may infact be Haplochromis sp"dayglow" or something similar. Help me please. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi 2nd and 3rd pic I think is haplochromis burtoni.I have kept them before, very similar to yours. But i see red in the tails of those ( 2nd and 3rd) which mine didint have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzacam Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Sorry but i have to disagree, They aren't Burtoni... They look nothing to the male i had... Sorry i can't tell you what exact fish they are, but i don't believe they are Burtoni (Unless mine weren't, lol) My old Burtoni Male Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grungefreek Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Haplochromis sp"dayglow" http://www.african-cichlid.com/DayglowSubDom2.jpg Grunge - it's bandwidth theft to "pull" an image you dont own into the forum and it costs the person who does own that image serious money if lots of users view the picture (over and over and over again as they view this thread). Google "Bandwidth theft" for more than enough sites on the issue. eg: http://altlab.com/hotlinking.html Cheers - Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burek Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Sorry i actually wasent reffereing to males but females. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 Not burtoni I am sure, wrong colour, but def a hap of some sort. My quest will continue! Hmmm, these are the males!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirulis Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Most definately not burtoni....female or male. i am pretty sure the 2nd and 3rd are xystochromis phytophagus aka haplochromis brownae aka astotilapia brownae. As for the first....all i can say is it almost definately a hybrid. They only victorians we have in aus are -burtoni -phytophagus -lafasciata (spelling?? ) -pundamilia nyereri aka flameback Pretty sure thats it. Rest are most probably hybrids that look like another victorian. Because most victorians look very similar....with cross breeding being extremely common with victorians and wild caughts/imports non existant.... IMO it is highly unlikely that we have any pure strains of species in australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 hmmm, interesting. Most literature I have read so far has shown the phytophagus as a fish that looks more like the first one and brownae being a different fish. I have only come accross one article that says they are one and the same. Very confusing these Vics. If they are brownae can I excpect them to colour p more than what they are or how do I tell if they are reasonably pure? I know it is not going to be possible to tell if they are absolutly genuine but the same goes for any of these fish. If I am going to breed from them I would like to know that they are as close as I could expect to find. I also heard that neochromis nigricans is available, not too sure. How would one go about finding out who keeps the better quality Victorians in Oz? Would love to get hold of some really good ones. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirulis Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 yep xystochromis phytophagus and brownae are the same fish... i think x.phyt is the new name never heard of neochromis nigricans but it is definately a possibity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 Neochromis nigricans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirulis Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 thats an awsome looking fish. Can anyone confirm whether they are in aus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltcraig Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi I have a breeding colony of Nicans But sorry no fry atm Cheers Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 17, 2005 Author Share Posted March 17, 2005 Ahh, my new bestest friend. Hi Craig. Have they spawnd for you before? I'm Sure I could arrange delivery somehow if you ever get younguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
show Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 if you got these from your lfs i will say there a cross , its not there fault as ive gotten some up here sent up and thats what they turned out to be , im thinking a nyerei x brownea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 No, bought them privately. Will never be sure if they are hybreds or not I guess. Just trying to get my head around this whole phytophagus thing, seems to be different ideas everywhere I look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltcraig Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Will keep you posted how mine turn out Cheers Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 If you don't mind me asking, where did you get these from and were they expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSC Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Haplochromis brownae and Xystichromis phytophagus are not the same fish. A. brownae http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1572 link to phytophagus because they don't allow hotlinking anymore X. phytophagus If you can't get an ID of your vics on this forum - head over to www.cichlid-forum.com and ask Samaki in the Victorian folder or ask Greg Steeves at http://www.africancichlids.net/forums Both are very knowledgeable people on these types of cichlids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davez104 Posted March 24, 2005 Author Share Posted March 24, 2005 Thanks mate, That pic looks a lot like the ones I have. The guy I brought them off is sure that brownae and phytophagus are the same fish so that is why he calls them phytophagus. He showed me some literature that backed up his claim but most reading I can find say they are two different fish. I will keep looking into it, but for the time being I will call the first fish phytophagus and the second brownae. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSC Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 No problem. I've yet to see any literature that suggests they are the same fish. Perhaps you can find the reference and post it here? That way I can look it up myself. I can refer you to several articles which never mention them being one and the same species. Even the IUCN Redlist has them listed seperately. http://www.redlist.org/search/details.php?species=2194 A. brownae http://www.redlist.org/search/details.php?species=23166 X. phytophagus Sometimes older literature can be wrong. I see you've posted on one of the forums I suggested, rest assured you will get an expert response from there. Regards, MC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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