tfoster Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I was checking out different profiles and noticed this group. They look really interesting and dont appear to be a very difficult group to keep. Any one know if they are available, or know what they are like to keep, easy/hard etc. Cheers Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfoster Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 Opps. Found some listed in the breeders section. Can anyone comment on keeping these? Cheers Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 I keep the Cobwe variant, and they are just about the best fish I've kept. Never any aggression, beautiful colour, small size. They tolerate other males fine (but only one or two will show full colour). Females have a nice light blue sheen to the bodies as well, and can even show some yellow on the head. Great breeders, they start breeding at 5cm or so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danpri Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I keep cobwe(cobue) and chewere they're very easy even by Mbuna standards, I would say they are in the medium aggro column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Its Cobue, its the name of the collection point. Here is a link to all the fish found at Cobue Click Click Also here is a link to an awesome interactive map of some of the collection points around lake malawi. Lake map(click click) HTH Cheers Andy PS Better stay on topic, Ive got Afra Cobue too and there an awesome fish! Id go some Cobue`s just for a little extra colour as opposed to normal afras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Andy Sorry to hijack this thread but what is minimum size tank you would put a breeding trio or four in? cheers Rosco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Actually it's Cobwe. The latest and best reference is Konings Malcich 3 and it lists the species AND the location on the map as Cobwe. If you do a search of the location, you will see that they are currently bringing out stamps from the region with Cobwe printed on them. Not sure when it changed, but it has. We've had this conversation on the forum before and it was determined back then I even emailed Ad Konings personally and he confirmed it's "Cobwe". Paparossco, A 3ft tank would be fine for a small colony, or even a 2x2x2 cube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfoster Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 Anyone breeding these? I was planning to get some saulosi, but may change if I can get some. How do they go with other Mbunas? I am only allowed one tank and I cant go any bigger than a 4'. Cheers Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hey Andy, Fair enough mate, id always thought it was Cobwe too untill i saw this post and thought id do some reading on it, the above info was from Cichlid Press. Anyways il take ya word on it Cheers Andy *edit* Down the bottom of the webpages i have linked too say "All maps and photos are copyrighted by Ad Konings and Cichlid Press." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Yeah it's still a grey area, but it has changed. Just email Ad if you want confirmation. That's the only way I was totally convinced. This is from cichlidpress: http://www.cichlidpress.com/safari/travelguide.htm And an passage from it: There are two proper immigration stations at the Mozambique border along the lake, at Cobwe and Metangula; entering the country at other places depends on local arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Tim, they get on well with just about any other similar sized fish. I wouldn't put them in with any other fish that looks similar (with black barring) as they'll probably try to crossbreed. In with yellows, msobo or something without the barring and that isn't light blue should be ok. You don't need another species with them though. A few males and a bunch of females in a 4 footer would look nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 A 3ft tank would be fine for a small colony, or even a 2x2x2 cube. Thanks for that so I assume a 2x18x18 is too small. It is just that I have 12 of them in my fish room . I was only planning to use most of them as shellie tanks and grow out tanks, but you never know Cheers Rosco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I'd say too small, but as long as you have another option if things go badly, then you could try it I suppose. I've always had mine on their own in a 4x2, and it looks a bit bare as they are quite small compared to other mbuna, but they seem perfectly happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Doesnt matter andy, i just thought id try and answer the Q once and for all... lol doesnt look like thats going to happen though! Il take your word for it though mate and stick to the cobwe Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi Guys - We've had the Cobwe vs Cobue debate - and while I find some of Ad's taxonomic findings (this isnt taxonomy, I know) a bit "rushed", Cobwe appears to be correct. On a recent trip to Malawi by the NSWCS there was confirmation that 'Cobwe' is indeed the spelling of the place - despite a different spelling in most atlas's etc. I've no problem with what it is called but we need to be consistent. If we've C. afra 'Cobwe' then we also should be Aulonocara stuartgranti 'Cobwe'. It seems weird to me that one spelling is adopted for one fish while the other is frequently tagged with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi guys, with regard to the "Cubue V's Cobwe" issue...I was under the impression that a concensus had been reached, where to save confussion we would refer to the Aulonocara as "Cobue" and the afra as "Cobwe"?! Maybe I had it all wrong. But, seeing as it is mostly us fish geeks making the destinction and we know(occasionally) what we are talking about when it comes to this particular location...would that be too hard? In answer to the topic question...I agree with Andy completely, they are one of my favorite species and deffinately my favorite Mbuna(that I have anyway). Their size and colouration makes them popular with everyone who looks at the tank. I think that, for the long term, 3x2x15 would be the smallest tank that a good sized group(12) of these guys would be happy in but if you get a large group of fry to select from & choose the less aggressive males to have in you final group you may be able to use the 2x18x18...I just do not think there is enough length in that sized tank. I have found that there are nasty individuals among the C.afra(Cobwe) that I have had, for example the dom male I have ATM will not let any other male Cobwe colour in the tank...where as another male I had, before, was still boss but let 1 other male show his colour. I have found the same thing with my polit & elongatus, different Genus I know but still relevent. If you are only allowed to have one tank, I have a thumb-print on my head too , you would be better of getting a bigger one, 4x2x2 maybe?? Then I would suggest other mbuna to share the tank with them but if you are sticking em in a small tank I would not add other fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi Maz - Its a location . We cant change its name to suit our convenience. If its to be spelt "Cobwe" then we should apply the same name to all fish from this locality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 hmmm...I am sure that I was not suggesting that we run around changing maps at librarys and defacing our Cichlid Press books. What harm can it do in for me to write "Cobwe" when I am refering to me afra and "Cobue" when I'm talking about Peacocks with someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 If your talking Maz I dont mind how you spell it LOL! and neither, I suggest, will the person you are talking to. If we are writing, however, the use of the two names implies two localities. Its confusing and unnecessary. Especially when we already have a good way to tell them apart: one being Aulonocara stuartgranti 'Cobwe' and the other being Cynotilapia afra 'Cobwe' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Yeah dave ive got both the peacocks and afra`s and figured id try and find a consistant answer but im happy with the "w" Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazimbwe Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Sweet with me, I would hardly use anything less that the full scientific name if I was asking a question about any particular fish...but if ya happen to be chatting with me(in text format, Mr Smarty YeW ) and I say something about "Cobue", rest assured I am not talking about afra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 well i keep lions cove and i think they are nice and mainly the gold colour of the cobwe head but all over and blue in the fins mine havent coloured yet but are displaying a bit so i hope to have a decent colony out of the 13 i have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatoscarlover Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 Maz i was told the same thing recently that they were both spelt diffrent! Its a location though how can it be spelt diffrently?Thats why when i saw the second or 3rd post down where they wernt sure on the "w" or the "u" i thought id try and clear it up but by the looks of it cichlid press release conflicting information so im happy to take Andys & NSWCS word for it. Cheers Andy PS we should let this post get back on topic... Questions about Afras, not us trying to clear up localities! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Camel Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 i always thought that it was spelt cobwe, but pronounced like it were cobue (or koboo or whatever...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 This is a little offtopic but here goes anyway Thanks Maz and Andy for the afra keeping info. I will have to revert to plan B for keeping them I think. Plan B is get a new rack made up to house my 6x2's so they are on the same rack, replace my standard 4' tank with a new 6x2 display tank for the house Move one of 6x2 from the fish room into the house and the new one on the 6x2 rack into the house as I wll get it drilled the ame side as tank staying in the fish room. Where the old 6x2 was in the fish room replace it with 2 3x2's and it will be sweet. If you are confused I am not surprised this is the explaination that I gave to my wife so she would not understand what I want to do so she would not care what I did Sure it will cost me thousands but won't it be worth it cheers Rosco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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