simy696 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Laws have changed, that still stands, but Cichlidenstadl have decided they will comply with the testing, and continue to ship to Australia ? any one heard this true or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 It doesn't take much effort to comply "TO THE NEW LAWS" and Germany certainly will comply,,,,,, but it costs the buyers "us" for the new rediculous requirements which is the cost of sacrificial fish. So Germany has no problems sending and complying,,, BUUUUUUUT, they won't go out of their way to get cheap sacrificial fish and put into orders of our desired wanted fish,,,,, so they won't help buyers of Australia to keep the fish orders affordable. Dont let the desperation and the need to believe in a positive projection allow you to decieve yourself into going around in circles. The true dilemma is extremely simple, explained in very few words above. Read this over three times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simy696 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 makes sence but i guess the norm 1month ago maybe something else in 3months and this will all be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiem Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I don't believe it is just Cichlidenstahl that have to comply it is Germany itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 7 hours ago, simy696 said: makes sence but i guess the norm 1month ago maybe something else in 3months and this will all be forgotten. Yep, but the new norm will be no more cichlids coming from those places into Australia,,,, new aquarists coming into the scenes will never know what they're missing out on in a few years to come,,, diversity of rift lake fish keeping will gradually reduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simy696 Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 You think I've heard different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hah ha, do I think ??,,,, So you think it will increase ??, lol. sounds like it makes sense to say no more cichlids are coming in so breeders will come together and make sure the species stay in existence,,,,,, obviously the previous topics about this subject that I've put my opinions into you've have disagreed with or chosen to believe alternate future forecasts. (I'm adamant that oz isn't even quarter way to being specie sustaining). We couldn't even sustain species when species were coming in tenfold and even when the rift lake scene for enthusiasts was at its high. That sudden nostalgia of keeping species safe because of new import laws proves the point, why does it take the new laws to make people want to seriously breed,,,,, why do people forget time and time again, that the willingness and enthusiasm doesn't reside inside the person at the same strength as you start with,,, so many people say I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, a few years later they're out of it and list interest or into something else. For those that breed up and can't sell their fish on a indefinite basis can't keep stocks avaliable as they grow multiply take up room and the never ending fish cycle of interest will see many fish not wanted for long periods of time. Most importantly, the passion dies of to lower levels in the keenest of fishos,,,, it's reality. I keep saying there is no buy power or buy support from oz to keep it going, . It's like having one candle to light but you keep getting told buy others you need more than one match to light it,,, a box of matches will just be useless after one is used. Until one has been in this industry for a decent length of time, one usually has extremely obscured views on the reality of the Cichlid hobby prosperity. Not being negative, just a realist in opinion. Wheres the passion and buy power without the new import laws ?, that's right very low, it will settle back down to its reality soon/fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simy696 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 sorry im not sure what your talking about this is my original statement. and actually not myne was written to me. maybe i should of read all of your coment. Laws have changed, that still stands, but Cichlidenstadl have decided they will comply with the testing, and continue to ship to Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 They were always going to comply, even if they were kicking up any stinks, they always would and did accept,,,, it was only the deadline before last one that they (Germany) complained they never got enough lead time to prepare for compliance. Current Compliance is get a original inspection through their premises and testing,,, they then get a certification certificate to continue trading. The original consensus before the present one (certification certificate),,, there's us, we had to pay for fish we had to give up for testing in high fish count percentage as per new regulations, at that time... So Asian countries supply all fish types and a lot of very cheap 30c stuff, these Asian places were given the go ahead to add in the number needed for testing as a extra to a Cichlid order, so it would only cost us 30c extra per Malawi fish so to speak. But Germany specializing in cichlids don't stock or carry any cheap fish like barbs say.... So the dilemma from this is to us, because Germany can't go out of their way to get that junk,,, and their sales to OZ is well below decent,, and I understand fully,,. They are Cichlid specialists. So then this means we have to pay for the fish we have to give up for testing, forgot the numbers, but if you got 15 fish at $60 each, you'd have to give up no less than half of them or more. So if German fish are still going to be avaliable, this means either that the certification certificate has now ruled out the need to test any numbers of fish,,,, or Germany has decided to stock and sell us sacrificial cheap fish alongside our orders. It was only at the very beginning, just short of two years ago, when Germany wasn't happy. As this scene unfolded slowly, it became noticeable to me that this was designed to unfold that way to give attention diversion, then apply the final law after the confusion,,, by that time, everyone was exhausted and over it, then they slammed it to us. CUTTING OUT CICHLIDS COMING IN. To me, they aimed straight at stopping them, never about regulating them. Absolutely no point going in circles asking questions that don't have yes or no answers. If you really need to find out, ring or email a importer and ask him if he can get fish for you.... Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simy696 Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 As far as I understand it the fish we sell here as german bred are actually mostly tank bred or pond bred from another European country wonder how much the Germans are actually paying for these fish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern1 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Where can we find the germa update isit on a formal publication of word of mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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