dazzman Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 What year was the last import of mbuna into Australia? It was in the 1980's wasnt it?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undercoverbrother Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I believe some are still being imported such as wild caught auratus. Other than that it's been too long for the others . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I have idea when the last legal import came into the country.Rusties are still available to be imported.There have been a lot of Mbuna introduced into the hobby since importing stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think it was 1988 when they brought in the import listbefore that it was pretty grey area and so long as it wasn'ton the banned list like Pirahna nobody worriedsome have showed up after that date but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Probably this morning :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krellious Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Wink Wink hey Ducksta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gombe Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think I can here Schultz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Nah mate, I'm just being cheeky.No inside knowledge here.But wouldn't surprise me in the slightest - "new" species rock up here incredibly often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Look back to the date on ace when Pseudotropheus williamsi was discussed about being in a shop after the topic of the specie was raised.And then roughly maybe 3 months prior to that.That's likely your recent new specie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzman Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 I think it was 1988 when they brought in the import listbefore that it was pretty grey area and so long as it wasn'ton the banned list like Pirahna nobody worriedsome have showed up after that date but Thanks Chris.I guess i should have said ' legal import ' in my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 There are still legally imported mbuna - just not many on the list. (Maybe only rustys?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Poor misunderstood piranha...To think in their natural habitat they are scavengers and live bait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzman Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 hey Ducksta.yeah i knew Ioodotropheus sprengarae and Melanochromis auratus were still allowed in. correct me if i'm wrong but I think they are the only mbuna allowed and only 2 out of 6 Malawi allowed (Crytocara moorii, Aluonocara, some big blue hap i cant remember the name of and some other).i wish someone could explain to me why this is the case considering rusties are one of the most peaceful mbuna and auratus the most agro? what makes these 2 so special and why cant other mbuna come in considering there are a couple of big unit predatory haps allowed in. And why is it open slather for Tanganyikans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Mel simulans are allowed and would be how Northern Blue, Fuscus and Chipokaecame through as they look similar as fry .......... M. simulans have been out here butnever seemed to establishMel Dialeptus was also brought through as Auratus as they are a dwarf form of AuratusChilotilapis rhoadesii is the other Malawi you're thinking of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzman Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 thanks Chris. i have never seen M.simulans in the flesh, i hope to one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankbuster Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Are there any specifix reasons why mbuna are so heavily restricted? Is there that high a likelyhood they would breed like wildfire if released into the wild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkesg Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 My understanding is you need to apply to get a fish added to the allowable import list.It is a lenghtly, drawn out process and can be expensive. Therefore the fish that is added need to be commercially viable, think tropical fish that cost a few cents from overseas wholesalers..mbuna are never really going to be a fish every petshop or fishshop will stock, so not really in anyones interest to get them added.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzman Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 That doesnt explain why Tangs are allowed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Are there any specifix reasons why mbuna are so heavily restricted? Is there that high a likelyhood they would breed like wildfire if released into the wild?Many people think that fish that are non-importable are not allowed because of the effects they woud impose in the wild if released.Whilst this would contribute to authorities being non-flexible.This is not the direct case,,,, there are so, so many fish varieties and it takes excessive time and money to research these fish.Many, many fish that does not get the go ahead would have no chance at survival in Australia's ecosystems.Also australia has a multitude of climate types from state to state unlike most other countries,,, but our laws do vary due to this.As Grant said, if it's not viable then it will just be kept of the whitelist.Remember that ornamental fish are just a luxury as they only serve a purpose of love, interest and hobby,,,, so the authorities don't care in any serious way about these fish,,,, they let us have some and stop there.Other counties in the world, a few Asian countries take fish far more serious with extreme importance with 1/3 to 2/3 of the countries population keeping some form of fish in private residents.On other tangents, some countries just don't care about their natural habits and don't really look after or have anything in place to keep naturalized.Also some countries freeze over,,, so it's guaranteed that tropical fish won't survive more than one season in the wild.I'm sure there's other reasons and points why it's so tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myster619 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Imagine all the rare fish the DAFF people seize and secretly keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 A bit like a policeman seizing marijuana then smoking for himself,, hah,ha.But I dont think the DAFF people would be interested in ornamental fish themselves,,, one could,, but they are just mainly more enforcers than anything else.The politics is just so damn controversial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankbuster Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 A bit like a policeman seizing marijuana then smoking for himself,, hah,ha.But I dont think the DAFF people would be interested in ornamental fish themselves,,, one could,, but they are just mainly more enforcers than anything else.The politics is just so damn controversial.'Tis a shame, but fair enough in regards to the feasibility of it and whether its worth pursuing. Would have been great for the bloodlines in aus for mbuna to unconditionally allow imports though, but coulda shoulda woulda I guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tankbuster Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 A bit like a policeman seizing marijuana then smoking for himself,, hah,ha.But I dont think the DAFF people would be interested in ornamental fish themselves,,, one could,, but they are just mainly more enforcers than anything else.The politics is just so damn controversial.'Tis a shame, but fair enough in regards to the feasibility of it and whether its worth pursuing. Would have been great for the bloodlines in aus for mbuna to unconditionally allow imports though, but coulda shoulda woulda I guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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