cpfc Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Fish 1 Fish 1 and Fish 2 Behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 Here is Fish 2. Signs of being a male are egg spots and the white top of the dorsal fin. Those are the ones I have found out about anyhow from posters here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 And finally we have model number three. A shy little thing that hangs round the back a lot avoiding the cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy001 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 A "Red Rubin" 1 male 2 male 3 female Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbin4 Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 Looks like Sandy could be right from these photo's, but these no 2/3 are only 5cm so. But if you look at No 3 the female is showing a lot of colour in He / she's body in your other post. And as you say hides a lot so most likley hiding from your nice alpha male and the other as well. To me that points to another male in a month or so and hes no 3 in the pecking order. When you look at photo of the 2 males together you cant miss sexing them. What shop you buy them from. They would have done their best to sex them and I'm sure would swap for a female as they will sell a nice coloured male easy.But hard to sex these guys at the 4cm you got them at even for the best of us its a best guess only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 11, 2010 Author Share Posted May 11, 2010 I do not blame the shop. The guy there is very good and looks after me as you can see by the colouration of the dominant. I will give him a call. This is all a big learning process for me. No 3 does not colour up much. The question I have is whether the orange tips of the dorsal fin are an indicator. I will double check the pics in the other post as fish 3 may not be there. Looks like Sandy could be right from these photo's, but these no 2/3 are only 5cm so. But if you look at No 3 the female is showing a lot of colour in He / she's body in your other post. And as you say hides a lot so most likley hiding from your nice alpha male and the other as well. To me that points to another male in a month or so and hes no 3 in the pecking order. When you look at photo of the 2 males together you cant miss sexing them. What shop you buy them from. They would have done their best to sex them and I'm sure would swap for a female as they will sell a nice coloured male easy.But hard to sex these guys at the 4cm you got them at even for the best of us its a best guess only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 I am reading a lot of articles indicating that egg spots are not a conclusive sign of a male. The only consistent information seems to be around the shape of the anal and dorsal fins. Males have sharper anal and dorsal fins. You can see the two shehes have more rounded anal fins however to confuse matters their dorsals are sharp. When I get time I will take more photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbin4 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 Good to see your reading up and gaining more information for yourself. Egg spots are more so on males, yes females have them as well but usually not many & dull. Your No 2 males are bright and stand out in a fish that small & the fin is long and pointed, not round/blunt as most females are.Your Alpha male trying to breed with the others? Do they fight and or hide? or try to breed. Watching what they display will help you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 I will have to search youtube for some vids tonight to see what is courting behaviour as opposed to assertiveness. Probably best not done at work and its blocked. Ollie (the Alpha male) tends to hang out with no 2 (aka Ruby). No 3 (still not named) is a loner but sometimes gets hassled by Ollie. Ruby gets brighter and darker but still not worked out a pattern. Whatever way this turns out it is fascinating. Names are for the kids and I will be putting up an ID chart for them. Good to see your reading up and gaining more information for yourself. Egg spots are more so on males, yes females have them as well but usually not many & dull. Your No 2 males are bright and stand out in a fish that small & the fin is long and pointed, not round/blunt as most females are.Your Alpha male trying to breed with the others? Do they fight and or hide? or try to breed. Watching what they display will help you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 next step is venting oo = boy o O = girl I don't remember seeing a Stuartgranti morph where the females showed any egg spots in the anal fin anal fin shape isn't uniformly that simple for some cichlid species fish 3 looks the most likely to be female from the pics listed but I still feel pic 2 is a sub male you having fun yet Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 13, 2010 Author Share Posted May 13, 2010 Its great. The Mrs thinks I have lost the plot. Venting looks harder than identifying the sex of a baby on an ultrasound. If I was certain in my ability and did not think I would hurt the fish I would do it. next step is venting oo = boy o O = girl I don't remember seeing a Stuartgranti morph where the females showed any egg spots in the anal fin anal fin shape isn't uniformly that simple for some cichlid species fish 3 looks the most likely to be female from the pics listed but I still feel pic 2 is a sub male you having fun yet Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 30, 2010 Author Share Posted May 30, 2010 I had the holding female Afra in a clear fry saver. The Mrs was worried the lights would stress her so they were left off. Today I put the female in a 50l Kmart tub and turned the lights on. The Auloncara started shimmying in front of ladyboy 2 and chasing her at high speed in a way I have not seen before. It was shake your bootie stuff and in my inexperienced opinion he was randy. Next post will have more pics. This only happened this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 30, 2010 Author Share Posted May 30, 2010 Shemale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 30, 2010 Author Share Posted May 30, 2010 Shemale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 30, 2010 Author Share Posted May 30, 2010 The Alpha Male Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 30, 2010 Author Share Posted May 30, 2010 Group Shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.K Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 great shots. the rubin looks awesome ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Nice pics Dom male looks excellent - female is conditioned nicely and sub male is starting to show more colour check the last 2 pics only the female shows the orange edge on the dorsal Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 31, 2010 Author Share Posted May 31, 2010 Thanks The oranged finned one is the one he is chasing. All still present at dinner. Nice pics Dom male looks excellent - female is conditioned nicely and sub male is starting to show more colour check the last 2 pics only the female shows the orange edge on the dorsal Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogie Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 It looks to me like you have 2 males - 1 female. You'll notice as they get a bit bigger the sub will get a bluer face and the top fin will have the white streak. The female has no blue in the face but the top fin has an orange streak The sub dominant male looks just like my sub-dominant male Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted May 31, 2010 Author Share Posted May 31, 2010 Thanks. The group shots lack focus but the aim is not good photography but to aid sexing. great shots. the rubin looks awesome ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted June 14, 2010 Author Share Posted June 14, 2010 Female 2 (the one with the orange top) is now holding. Unless someone can tell me otherwise I think that makes it Female. I caught them dancing together at least that is the euphamism. Shemale 1 has been hiding in the corners and has more colour despite the alpha male chasing shehe away from female 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern1 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 If your wanting to keep the fry you have 2 options strip 1. Strip after 4-5 days which allows you to know the eggs have been fertilized adequately, then tumble the eggs 2. Let them hold and strip either a) after 14 days b) or after 20 days From Personal experience I have found that auloncara fry when stripped early dont have a great survival rate compared to ones that have been striped and have developed further. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIMO Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 If you keep any fry, let me know and i'll definately buy some off you when they're ready..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpfc Posted June 14, 2010 Author Share Posted June 14, 2010 Option 4 is to let the female spit in the aquarium and survival of the fastest. If I chose that then I will get more of that holey coral stuff. Your experience on stripping matches what else I have read and I will probably isolate her at about 20 days. We will see what happens. I have an Afra mum fattening up in isolation with some fry at the moment. I may get a net fry saver and get the Aulonocara to spit in there and then put her back in the tank. It will probably come down to how much I have on in 3 weeks time. If your wanting to keep the fry you have 2 options strip 1. Strip after 4-5 days which allows you to know the eggs have been fertilized adequately, then tumble the eggs 2. Let them hold and strip either a) after 14 days b) or after 20 days From Personal experience I have found that auloncara fry when stripped early dont have a great survival rate compared to ones that have been striped and have developed further. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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