Camo Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Hey all, Well before i went to the auction i went and checked out St George Aquarium. If you also checked out St George did you happen to see the OB Dimi Comps. They were a very strange looking fish. They were a very strange looking fish. They had the shape of a Dimi Comp but the colour and blotching of a Marble Peacock. There was a really coloured up male in the tank. A cross between a Marbled peacock and a Dimi Comp and they wanted $40 or $50 a pop for them. They were a pretty good looking fish if you wanted a display fish. Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darius Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 what size were they? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 This what they look like? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/229701..._dfa1002196.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Found a profile on cichlidforum also. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=2321 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camo Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 Yeah thats them richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CThompson Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 That second link says it is a cross. Natural? I doubt it. Since when did we start liking crosses? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I am not a fan of Hybrids these things are just as much a hybrid as marble peacocks. We cant stop people from discussing them, but we need to inform people of their origins, i also dislike that link reffering to where they are found reed beds etc What trait do they follow the eye biter or the mbuna ??? Our stance on hybrids havnt changed so they can not be sold via our forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I think talking about hybids is a good thing for our hobby. The more we talk the more info is out there about them. Hopefully a few more people come across this info and learn from what we say and the stand we make. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genetik_defekt Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 cross breeding species make me physically sick. i cant believe still with the things we know about species vulnerability, ppl will still destroy species for profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucem Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I actually thought that OB peacocks were a natural phenomenon. Probably shows how gullible I am. The links to the OB dimis look like a hybrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Up to 8 years ago OB/Marble peacocks were still imported as A.baenschi X OB zebra, then all of a sudden the importers changed the name to Marble Peacock once the shape was more uniform to a peacock. 8 - 10 years ago they came in with some odd looking body shapes, to start with then they line bred them to get the shape more consistent to what we see today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petshopdude Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 i have seen mable OB for sale in mackay, however i thought they were crossed with a venustus, i knew a breeder who tried to sell them to me and that is what he told me they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevguy Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Unfortunately we will see a lot more of this kind of thing as it all comes back to the dollar. People(some) want something different and something that looks good(?) so in turn the pet shops want something to sell them,something that is not just blue for example. Those of us that use these forums are only a handful of aquarists and the majority of people that buy from their local lfs don't even know that these forums exist. So who is really at fault, the breeders of these fish that are just supplying demand or the shops that just want to turn a dollar regardless of if they think it's right or wrong or the people buying them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 So who is really at fault, the breeders of these fish that are just supplying demand or the shops that just want to turn a dollar regardless of if they think it's right or wrong or the people buying them? Without question, THE BREEDERS. Perhaps they could focus their energy on producing some nicely coloured non-hybrid fish, which would sell just as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I agree with Vis, the breeders are the ones that ecourage it, from a shop point of view (that doesnt sell hybrids ) most LFS do not know what they are selling half the time They just see a pretty fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petshopdude Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 more than enough africans out there, no need to make some new ones, i think breeders should normally know better then to do this but the shops should aswell, they are the ones who create the demend, i guess the only thing we can do is practic and preach good fish keeping advise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 more than enough africans out there, no need to make some new ones, i think breeders should normally know better then to do this but the shops should aswell, they are the ones who create the demend, i guess the only thing we can do is practic and preach good fish keeping advise Ahhh it all starts when little john had a Dimi Comp and a Marble Peacock in his display tank and they bred then he sold them to the shops then the shops sold them to the public/breeders and next thing you know we have a new species added to the collection of cichlids. I am sure that SOME breeders will breed 2 different species together but i more see the scenario above being the main problem for todays crossed fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyMike Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I dunno Camo, I think accidental crosses create many mongrels that people don't realise aren't 'really' rusties or saulosi or whatever, and that that is a problem. But something like this is a deliberate act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 I dunno Camo, I think accidental crosses create many mongrels that people don't realise aren't 'really' rusties or saulosi or whatever, and that that is a problem. But something like this is a deliberate act. You would have to breed 2 pretty similar looking fish to not be able to tell its a cross or incredibly blind in both eyes. Yeah i was stateing that this is a deliberate act. I dont think the average person who keeps a display tank would really care if they cross bred a fish and the fact that they might get a dollar or 2 from doing it makes it more sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyMike Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Sometimes crosses don't look -too- different to a pure parent, especially if you don't know what you're doing, or care. Sorry, it didn't sound like you thought it was deliberate. I do think it was done intentionally to create something 'new', probably not just a whim or accident in a community tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camo Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Sometimes crosses don't look -too- different to a pure parent, especially if you don't know what you're doing, or care. Sorry, it didn't sound like you thought it was deliberate. I do think it was done intentionally to create something 'new', probably not just a whim or accident in a community tank. Oh without a doubt some people do this deliberately to create something new and colourful. There are many reason as to why we see cross bred fish for sale in shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 an interesting side story to this is that i gave a guy some fish awhile back and when he came over he was telling me that he used to have have hongis and rustys in the same tank and they cross bred whilst there and instead of killing the fry he raised them up due to not having it in him to euthanize them. when he got sick of them instead of doing what was right he ttook them down to the lfs and traded them in. now a while back when i was chasing hongi and i saw some of these fish at said lfs and i knew them to be hybrids right away but the shop was selling them as hongi. see how it starts. ive also been collecting alot of mbuna species of late and have found it interesting that alot of the varieties that used to be common are now becoming harder and harder to find. i find it interesting that in spite of this people would rather breed this nonsense then concentrate on preserving the fish we already have. what a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CThompson Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 what Yellow said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camo Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well said. All shops at some point or another sell crossbred fish. Wether they put on the tank that it is a cross or not is the main problem with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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