genetik_defekt Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hey guys and girls. Im after the ornamental fish grey list. Ive lost the link and i know some of you guys have it. Basically ive heard cichla monoculus are not grey listed in queensland? not entirely sure this is true but would like to find out. Also if there is a chance they are not grey listed how would i go about applying for a licence to import them? as ornamental display fish, private display only. Is there a complete list of banned species not allowed for importation in australia ( i imagine there is) Cheers guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAL05T Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 A few links worth reading on the Grey List: http://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?show...850&hl=grey http://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?show...249&hl=grey http://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?show...668&hl=grey And here for new species importation: http://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?show...c=37611&hl= Scroll down to Willy Wombat's post. Regards, Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genetik_defekt Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 That first link was the one i read a few months back, could nt find it with a search though Looks like you took some time to do that. Thanks heaps mate appreciated it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genetik_defekt Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Killed that dream i figured they were not allowed but thats ok. ill find em anyway. It would judt be nice to be able to import some really good quality fish. There should be some sort of license available to ppl wanting to keep banned species. Where they are imported in limited numbers and held under aqis guidlines before being released to said license holder. The license should run similar to the reptile keepers license, with deathes, births and sales recorded. And only trade or sale between licensed people. This way the government could control/watch the trade and sale of the species and it would all but eliminate the illegal sale/ trade of noxious species. Just a though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 This list is the proposed Noxious List BUT is the current Noxious List in SA they jumped the gun a bit here as usuall, but this is better than what we had. Koi and all Aligator gars are still on the grey list for other states but in SA the fisheries beleive the alligator gar has a slim chance of being removed but the koi is in danger of being banned Australia wide simole because of the scientic name being the same as carp Proposed Noxious List Acestrorhynchus microlepsis ------- Hydrocynus spp ----------------------------------- Pike Characin, Giant Tigerfish Amia calva ----------------------------------------- Bowfin Anabas testudineus -------------------------------- Climbing Perch Anaspidoglanis macrostoma ---------------------- Flatnose Catfish Bagrus ubangensis --------------------------------- Ubangi Shovelnose Catfish Chaca chaca ------------------------------------------Angler, frogmouth, Squarehead catfishes Clarias spp------------------------------------Walking Catfish Heteropneustes fossilis------------------------------------------Stinging Catfish Silurus spp----------------------European Catfish, Wels Catfish Paravandellia oxyptera -----------------------------Parasitic Catfish Centarchidae—Entire Family ---------------------------- Banded or Spotted Sunfish, largemouth bass, Bluegill Centropomus spp ------------------------------------------ Snooks Lates niloticus ------------------------------------------------- Nile Perch Channa spp ------------------------------------------------- Snake Heads Colossoma spp -------------------------------------- Pacus Giant, Black Serasalmus spp------------------------------------- Redeye piranha Pygocentrus spp ----------------------------------- Red piranha Boulengerochromis microlepis-------------------- Giant Cichlid, yellow belly cichlid Oreochromis spp------------------------------------------- Tilapia Hemichromis fasciatus-------------------------------------- Banded Jewelfish Sargochromis spp----------------------------Pink, slender,greenwoods,mortimers, cunean, greenhappy etc Saratherodon spp------------------------------ Saratherodon melanotheron-------------------------------------- Blackchin Tilapia Serranochromis spp------------------------------------------------- Tilapia spp (All except T. buttikoferi)-----------------------------Redbelly Tilapia Family Citharinidae, entire sub family Ichthyborinae----------African pike-characin, tubenose poacher, fin-eater Misgurnus anguillicaudatus-------------------------------Weather Loach Hypopthalmichthys nobilis------------------------------ Bighead Carp Neolissochilus hexagonolepis----------------------Copper mahseer Gibelion catla----------------------------------Catla Catlocarpio siamensis------------------Giant Barb Cirrhinus cirrhosus----------mrigal Ctenopharngodon idella----------------Grass Carp Labeo calbasuAnd Labeo rohita-------------Orange fin Labeo, rohu Zacco platypus-------------Freshwater Minnow Hypophthalmichthys molitrix-------------------------Silver Carp Torr spp----------------River Carp,Deccan, High Backed,Jungha, putitor, thai mahseer Notropis spp---------------Shiners Phoxinus erythrogaster--------------------Southern redbelly Dace Oxydoras spp----------------Ripsaw catfish,black doras, black shielded catfish Elassoma spp-------------------------Pygmy Sunfish Oxyeleotris marmorata--------------------------Marble Goby Erythrinus spp--------------------Trahiras Hoplerythrinus spp--------------- Hoplias spp---------------------------- Esox spp----------------------------------Pikes Pungitius pungitius--------------------------------Ninespine stickleback Apeltes quadracus--------------------------Four spinned stickleback Culaea inconstans----------------------------------------- Acanthogobius flavimanus------------------------Yellowfin goby Tridentiger trgonocephalus----------------------------------Chameleon Goby, striped Goby Gymnachus niloticus---------------------------------------------Aba aba Electrophorus electricus--------------------------------Electric eel Hepsetus odoe-------------------------------------------------African Pike Atractosteus spp-------------------------American armoured or alligator gars Lepisosteous spp-------------------------American armoured or alligator gars Malapterurus spp----------------------Electric Catfish Mormyrops anguilloides----------------Bottlenose, Cornish jack Belonesox belizanus----------------------Pike Minnow, Pike Killifish Polyodon spathula-----------------------Mississippi Paddlefish Protopterus annectens-----------------African lungfish Schilbe mystus---------------------------African butter catfish Valencia hispanica-----------------------------Valencia Toothcarp Procambarus clarkia-----------------Red Swamp Crayfish Perca fluvatilis-------------Redfin Cherax quadricarinatus-----------------Redclaw yabbies Cyprinus carpio----------------------------European Carp Gambusia spp------------------------------------Mosquito Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Now this is the grey list some of these will be added to the noxious list, some may be lucky enough to be added to the import list, some may be take longer to sort out as always.. But remember fish that were not in Australia prior 1982 (from memory) when the import list started fish that get smuggled in, although the local fishery depts may not be able to take them from you the commonwealth police can so beware what you advertise at the moment. PROPOSED ADDITIONS (GREY LIST) FA M I LY S P E C I F I C N A M E COMMON NAME Acipenseridae Acipenser spp Sturgeons Anabantidae— entire family Ctenopoma (21 spp) Ctenopoma ansorgi Ctenopoma argentoventer Ctenopoma nanum Anabas (2 spp) Microctenopoma (11 spp) Microctenopoma ansorgii Chacidae Chaca spp Angler catfishes, frogmouth catfishes Characidae Astynax spp Astyanacinus spp Bryconops spp Bryconops affinis Bryconops melanurus Ctenobrycon spp Hollandichthys multifasciatus Knodus savannensis Cichlidae Amphilophus citrinellus Midas cichlid, false red devil cichlid, Amphilophus zaliosus Amphilophus labiatus Red devil Caquetaia kraussii Bucketmouth Caquetaia spectabilis Caquetaia umbrifera Turquoise cichlid Cichla spp Peacock cichlid, tucanare Cichlasoma urophthalmus Mexican mojarra Crenicichla spp Crenicichla acustrus Crenicichla lepidota Crenicichla notophthalmus Crenicichla saxatilis Herichthys cyanoguttatum Rio Grande cichlid Parachromis dovii Guapote, wolf cichlid Parachromis managuensis Guapote tigre, jaguar cichlid Parachromis motaguensis False yellow jacket cichlid Petenia splendida Bay snook Ctenoluciidae Ctenolucius spp Ctenolucius hujeta Boulengerella spp Gar characin, hujeta Cyprinidae Tinca tinca Tench Rutilus utilus Roach Cyprinus carpio Domesticated koi carp Dasyatidae Himantura spp Freshwater stingray Eleotridae Eleotris spp Batanga lebretonis Sleepers Fundulidae Fundulus spp Fundulus chrysotus Leptolucania spp Leptolucania ommata Adinia spp Adinia xenica Lucania spp Topminnow Ictaluridae—entire family Ameirus (7 spp) Bullheads, madtoms except Prietella, Satan and Ictalurus (9 spp) Trogoglanis ,which are Ictalurus punctatus harmless and IUCN listed Pylodictis (1 spp) Noturus (26 spp) Lebiasinidae Lebiasina spp Lebiasina bimaculata Twospot lebiasina Lepidosirenidae Lepidosiren paradoxa South American lungfish Lepiosteidae Lepisosteus (4 spp) alligator gars Mastacembelidae—subfamilies Mastacembelus spp Mastacembelinae and Caecomastacembelus spp Spiny eel, tyre-track eel, zigAfromastacembelinae except Aethiomastacembelus spp Macrognathus spp zag eel Notopteridae Chitala spp Featherbacks or knifefish Osteoglossidae Arapaima gigas Arapaima, giant arapaima, pirarucu Osteoglossum spp Osteoglossum bicirrhosum Arawana Scleropages formosus Golden arowana Pangasiidae—entire family Pangasius (22 spp) Pangasius gigas Mekong giant catfish, shark catfishes, blue Shark Helicophagus (3 spp) Percidae Perca fluviatilis European perch Pimelodidae Leiarius spp Sailfin antenna, saddle or painted catfish Perrunichthys perruno Leopard catfish Phractocephalus hemioliopterus Red tail catfish Pseudoplatystoma fasciatum Barred sorubim (tiger catfish) Sorubim (5 spp) Duckbill catfish, shovelnose catfish Sorubim lima Sorubimichthys spp Brachyplatysoma spp Poeciliidae Alfaro (2 spp) Amazon or knifetail Alfaro amazonus livebearer Alfaro huberi Heterandria spp Heterandria bimaculata Two-spot livebearer Tomeurus gracilis Polypteridae Polypterus spp Birchirs or ropefish Polypterus enlicheri Polypterus retropinnis Erpetoichthys spp Erpetoichthys calabaricus Potamotrygonidae Potamotrygon (18 spp) River stingrays Paratrygon (1 spp) Plesiotrygon (1 spp) Protopteridae Protopterus (7 spp) ( excluding African lungfish) Pannectdens Rivulidae Leptolebias spp Leptolebias aureoguttatus Leptolebias marmoratus Leptolebias minimus Leptolebias opalescens Leptolebias opalescens Schilbeidae Schilbe spp African butter catfish Siluridae Ompok spp Butter catfish Sandelia (2 spp) ctenopomas Tetraodontidae Chelenodon spp (except C. patoca) Freshwater Colomesus spp pufferfish Chonerhinos (5 spp) Carinotetraodon (6 spp) Takifugu (~21 spp) Auriglobus (1 sp) Tetraodon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genetik_defekt Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 When you say proposed additions to the grey list? and ive seen the list you put up before. But does this mean they are under consideration for import under the ornamental fish "grey list"? or does this mean the species in question would be banned? im assuming its consideration for import, as if they are not on an import list you cant bring in anyway. My big thing on the subject is ive kept fish on and off for years. Now im a married man with a house and a paying job i no longer live with mum and have to scrounge up a few bucks to buy some juvies (anymore :D) i dont want to goto lfs and buy their inbred half quality fish. Its ok if you can find a quality fish breeder through a forum such as this one, but its not always the case. I see some of the fantastic colours and clean bloodlines they get in asian countries and the U.S and think we could have this here if only the government thought through the process better rather then just banning everything that poses a risk in the wrong hands. Im totally aware of the reasons behind not wanting feral fish in our waterways and dont want this either, but any of the noxious species they descibe can found here illegally anyway due to smuggling mostly, so why not regulate the whole system so to erradicate the illegal importation of noxious fish( and high cost) and put responsibility in the hands of ppl like me and probably most of the ppl on this forum who would take the time and the right channels to own fish that would be considered noxious. Hope this makes some sense E4G13M4N cheers for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 The proposed additions (GREY LIST) really mean they have more chance of making the noxious list than the import list. For what ever reasons they are the fish fisheries from different states want added to the noxious list, as they are trying to make 1 law Australia wide. There are a lot of fish overseas that we would like to have but also just as many that shouldnt be here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genetik_defekt Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 I totally agree. There are alot of fish i dont think should be allowed here, license or not. But this is where they could make the difference. Things like arapaimas or something that gets way too large for any home aquaria, or similar should not be allowed. But lets say you have the tank space. You can show documentation and take all the right avenues, then i think a person should be allowed to keep something like TSN, or P/ bass or whatever. Im just dreaming i know, but i think better regulation rather then banning is a better option. Imagine how much money the government could make on taxing "noxious" fish on import. And not to mention money made from licensing to go towards fisheries etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malrift Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Characidae Astynax spp These cant be right they are the tetra group. surely they cant be that dumd to get rid of 2/3s of our fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genetik_defekt Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 No, its right mate. they are basically even trying to grey list your typical everyday strickly aquarium type of fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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