muscle-man Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Hi guys, Please give me your advice/ idea on how to set up this tank. It has 2 sump hole on the bottom of each corner. What would be the best type of sump design and filter for this tank? What dimension would the sump has to be? What type of heater is required? What type of pump power do i need to use? All comments welcome. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_to4 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 dude that is a seriously HUGE tank. im no expert but id say your gonna need like at least a 4ft or 5ftx20x20 sump and the pump would have to be huge as you should look at turning over the tanks volume of water 4-6 times per hour at least. i think thats about a 2000L tank so say to turn over the water 6 times per hour. youd need at least a 12000/Hr pump and thats not taking into account the head height the pump will be pushing. In regards to heating id say youll need at least 2 300watt heaters. As i said im no expert but im sure you will get some more replies from other more experienced members. Hope ive helped. Oh yer i hope your stand is built to last cos that is gonna be one heavy tank man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleV Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 the bigger the sump the better i suggest a sump size that minimal 5ft. As for the pump you would need a large pond pump, oasis makes good ones at this size. heaters im thinking 3x300 watt, it would be heaps more than 2000l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleV Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 by the way what kind of fish are you putting in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justcichlids Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 i know a guy with the same size tank and has a 7 x 2 x 2 sump not sure what pump size it was a marine set up it's for sale now and only wants a grand for it!!!!!!!!!! i thought about it but it's so freaking huuuuuggggee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattnshez Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I am led to believe the tank is 2123 litres so i would assume a sump 1/3rd the size would be sufficient as far as the pump goes it does depend on what species you wish to keep certain species require greater filtration hth just my two cents worth Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleV Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 (i know a guy with the same size tank and has a 7 x 2 x 2 sump not sure what pump size it was a marine set up it's for sale now and only wants a grand for it!!!!!!!!!!) dude that is a bargin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL.16V Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 i just got a 8ft x 2.5ft x 2.5ft its got a 6 x 2 x 2 sump the pump is a 8500L pond pump currently has 1 300w heater as thats what i got with it but that only gets it to about 24degrees max i think.. gong to buy another 2 heaters prob so will have 900w heating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CThompson Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 the bigger the sump the better i suggest a sump size that minimal 5ft. As for the pump you would need a large pond pump, oasis makes good ones at this size. heaters im thinking 3x300 watt, it would be heaps more than 2000l Don't use Oase pumps as they heat water. My near 2000 litre tank has just gone through the sump of winter and with out heating has not gone below 22 degrees. Muscle-man, you are asking some very big, foundations type questions where the correct answer for your situation will have so many variables that I could spend several hours responding. Time I haven't got. If you want to ring me I'll help you over the phone if you want. Fantastic sized tank by the way. I wonder how you are going to move it, or is that why your 'handle' has come from. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVP Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I hope you have wide doorways.... I remember going thru my backdoor with a 6x2x2... Just fit... I'd had to see what its like getting a 3 ft tank thru a doorway. I would think a 5 x 2 x 2 sump would do the trick... and definately make sure however many heaters you do go with... i would think put one in the sump? After you get it set up would luv to see some pictures of what ur putting in it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petshopdude Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 man that is going to have some sweet tank busters in there, i would go 2 300w jager heaters, should do the tank, man that thing is going to weigh a ton, i hope it is going on a concrete floor, i don't know how it would go in my queenslander as for sump size you will have a lot of fun with that i dread to think about making on that big, i would maybe look at going a small sump (like 4 x 2 x 2) and a couple of fx5, i guess that main question is how much money you going to spend on this thing, also are you planing on doing some snorkling in that thing for credit it to you bro my missue would have my balls for dinner if i bought that home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL.16V Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 to move a 8 x 2.5 x 2.5 , 12mm glass , you need at least 6 people and do yourself a favour and hire out some glass suction caps from kennards hire... $18 each for a couple hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishdance Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I have a 10x3x3 tank and the most effective yet simplest (reliable) filtration I have found is 2 seperate overhead trickles. One of them has a much finer mesh prefilter and is principly a mechanical filter, the other I deliberately keep coarse so it hardly ever needs cleaning and is principly biological. I went for 2 seperate pumps and filters simply for redundancy although one would be sufficient. The beauty of overhead trickles is they are easy to access/monitor and since the sump is the tank itself, you can put through as fast/slow a turnover rate as you like with minimal chance of oveflow or flooding. Very simple concept. Internal pump -> Filter Box above tank -> flow through media -> Drain back into tank. Minimal head height too so your pump doesnt need to strain. You can disguise these as light reflectors or part of your hood although I dont bother. Actually my backup filter is just a 20L bucket with holes in the bottom. There is some trickle noise depending on flow rates but you can minimalise this if it bothers you. (I love the trickle noise). I use prawn trawler netting as media since it is open and allows for good air exchange yet is very easy to pack and unpack for cleaning -and free - with a small nylon bag of coral rubble for pH and hardness buffer. It would be easy to add an small water chamber if you wanted to keep heaters etc hidden. Anyway, this is what works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscle-man Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 Hi guys, Thank you all for putting out your time to give me advices. To answer all your questions: 1) I am going to put in there 10 giant guoramis. I have so far 5 babies gg. (1 grey, 1 pink, 3 red tail) 2) I am not going to move the tank. I bought this tank second hand but it is pretty much brand new. I supply the transport and the owner will supply the “muscles”. 3) I really don’t know how it would go through the kitchen door in my house. Maybe I have to get them to flip the tank on its side. 4) I don’t have a wife yet …therefore my balls are still intact (THANK GOD!!!) so there is no nagging or argument on where the tank would go yet. I'm still enjoying my FREEDOM. 5) How safe is those “glass tank sucker” at Kennard to move the tank? Can it withstand the weight of the tank? How many of those suckers do I need to use? 6) I will definitely update you guys with photos on the progress of my tank…and a photo of me snorkeling in the tank. heheheh Thanks again to all. Thanks for your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo81 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 i'd perhaps look at going 2 sumps (both 750x750x750 maybe) as you have 2 holes drilled in each end. that way you're only looking for 2 moderate output lift pumps as opposed to a massive one and if one pump fails you're still going to have half the filtration until a replacement is found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAL.16V Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 was suprised how strong the suction caps are.... was told the tank weighs 300kg and we didnt have a problem with 4 suction caps (1 at each corner) to lift teh tank off the cabinet and move it out and then some people jumped in to help carrying so i would say about 6 would be enouh and they are very strong.. my filter is trickle system through coarse sponge, then wool, then bio balls .. then it goes through about 4ft of crushed coral about 3" thick on an angle like through a river stream before another coarse sponge and then pumped though to tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscle-man Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 Hi guys, I am back Sorry for the late update. Well this is what i have so far for my 10 foot tank.... Tank: -all set up and ready filled with water -i have kept the tank bare bottom. -i have tinted the bottom of the tank (used a car designed heavy duty sticker ) -the tank has 2 x 65mm outlet and 2x65mm inlet. - Sump: -I have got given a 10'x20'x20' tank to use as my sump. (I built this sump my self...so i have step by step process if anyone is interested) -it has been divided into 6 sections -one section for sedimentation for easy to clean later. (Heavy particles and food can settle and get syphon out) -the second section has Japanese filter matts that is used for the koi filtration system -the 3rd and 4th and 5th has Bio balls. -The 6th section house the heater and pump. Pump: -5500 litres per hour AQUA one pump -this pump is connected to a flexible two pipe fitting to go to the inlet. better described with a photo -2x 300watt heaters Piping: -All Hansen products. (Australian made...excellent product) -Costs alot of money for the pipe and connectors. Accessories: -One Huge 1.7 metre x 30 cm log Fish Planning to put in there when tank is fully cycled: -4 x pink giant gouramis -5 x white giant gouramis -2x red tail giant gouramis -1x red/ grey cross-bred giant gourami -1x albino senegal birchir -1x tiger birchirs (Had 3 but 2 died ) -3x ornate birchirs -1 palmas birchirs NOTE: all of the guoramis are only 15cms- 8cms right now. Conclusion -well guys that is all that I have soo far. - i will put up heaps of photos later on to show how the system is setup -i am really grateful for everyone advices on this forum toward this topic. -the only offer that i can return to everyone is to put up photos of my tank, how to go about setting it up, how to build the sump DIY, and what mistakes that i have made ...so that everyone can avoid making the same mistakes and to build a better Tank buster system. thanks guys MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzbit Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Sounds good muscle-man! Can't wait to see pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashieFront Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Me to, cant wait for pic's. Thats one huge tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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