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There are whip tails and there are whip tails.

Depending on what species thay can be from $8 or $10 to $300 or more.

Be carefull when buying Royal whips !! (Sturisoma panamense )... When young, long nose whips (Sturisoma barbatum ) Look very similar and you have to be pretty up with it to tell the difference.

Most LFS have no idea,, but can be the difference between a $15 fish and a $95 fish. Long nose are dead set easy to keep and breed,,,,Royals are a different kettle of fish all together..

But there are othe whips cheaper and some a darn sight dearer.. You are getting into a specialist group of 40 odd species of interest to cat nuts only.

Alan

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$45 sounds like a bargain for Royals in Sydney cprize. Depends on their size tho I spose.

The pic you posted is definate S panamense (Royal Whiptail). You can't see its' nose in that illustration, but notice the dark stripe/marking along its' flank goes right up the back and into the dorsal fin.

S barbatum (some times listed as S nigrarostrum ), the long nose whip not only has a longer, thinner, blacker nose that tips up at the end slightly, nut the dark mark along its' side dose not go up its' back and into the dorsal fin.

Long nose are also a slightly different shape when mature. Aside from that, fins, tail, habits and diet are pretty much the same.

Alan.

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S. barbatum (longnose)

S. barbatum (longnose)

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S. panamense (Royals) these were mine at about 15-20 cm minus whips.

Notice the difference in markings and rostrum shape. As an adult, S. panamense also usually has this distinctive curve to the top of the dorsal fin. There is also a great pic of panamense in the Baench atlas showing the curved fin. As bubs, look for the dark marking up the dorsal, this is usually a royal, longnose bubs have less markings all ove and rarely on the dorsal (see the second longnose pic).

It has the long stringy thing on the end of its tail.
:lol3::lol3: most of them have that, thats why they call 'em whiptails.

8-10 cm, i'd reckon about $45 was reasonable for royals, longnose you'd be looking at about $25-30 for the same size (Perth prices so it may be different for you). $110 :shock: I reckon Id be looking for a farlowella sp or a Rineloricaria sp (a) (b) for that price.

good luck with your new bubs :thumb

-Mat-

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Alright everyone you need to know your wips before going in buying them!

There are three diffrent mixed versions going around as standard whiptale and atleast two of Royal.

when looking for sturisoma's you will see the "longnose" which is barbartum or you will see the legal Pannamese. If you are very lucky you will find Festivums. I only know of two people with the later. Myself being one and having one breading pair and another colony on there way to maturing. Takern awhile to raise them up.

There is only slight differances that you can see between the panamese and the festivums. One is body deapth and the other is in the black saddle markings.

Here is an image of my Festivum female and with her young. Note the length of the filiments on the side fins and the tail fin. They continue to grow!

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And here is a 10 to 12 cm young immature offspring.

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Have fun look any questions just ask.

Im off to look after my L104 eggs.

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nivola - how do you find is the best way to raise the whiptail fry?

I've had my colony lay eggs and the eggs hatch, but i can never seem to get them to survive.

ive tried growing algae on rocks and placing in the smallish tank with the dad and the fry, i've tried whiteworms and bbs, vinegar eels, but the fry just seem to die off by the day!

how do u get your whiptail fry to eat?

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Nice whips Nivola.

You'll have to send me a PM when you have a few festivum babies to sell (once they are through the feeding difficulties of course) seeing as how you are a westie like myself. The two photos of the same species look quite different, I assume it is due to lighting. Which of the two photos more accurately represents their colours, as the male looks pretty swanky but the fem looks rather drab?

Nova, I feel your pain, I had the same problems when mine were spawning.

If you follow the link on Chipimbi's signature you will find a forum with a huge thread on feeding whiptail babies. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to advertise/link to it, which is why I havn't posted a link direct. :lol2:

-Mat-

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They are certainly not easy!!!! When you look at the prices of whips in the US and Europe, we aren't doing too bad here.

The price of even common bristle nose is better here than a lot of US localities. Depends a lot on local breeders, where a fish species can't be collected wild in big numbers.

So many collectors O/Seas have only one each of a number of plecos, and make no attempt to breed any of them..... :(

I can see their point as a collector.......but I can't see their point as aquarists !!!

Alan.

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Very true Alan, I can't stand those tanks when they just have 20 different species of cats, 1 specimen of each :confused: Could devote the tank to a couple of breeding projects...instead its just a static collection of fish that probably need specialist conditions and or diets just thrown in together. :dntknw:

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Nova these guys when young are the dumbest bloody things i have every seen! You need to basically put food under there mouths! Saying that though the last batch i had i did raise due to the fact that they stayed alive in the comun tank! Just eating alge and flake.

Im not one to cough up infomation easy so Nova i will head you in the right direction! Reserch is the key.

Go to www.planetcatfish.com and surf and read you will find somethin on there! It worked for me! If you cant figure it out after a week PM me and i will help you more.

Wormboy this is so bloody insane where were you last week? Im a Greenwood boy. Yes one suburb south of you! I got rid of 8 young ro Vebas on sunday so there are some down there but i sould have another spawn on the way and the second colony is getting there.

They are of two different tanks with two different light setups. One is the 6 foot by 2 by2 and the other the 4 footer. (i need new light 4 the 4 footer to get the alge growth that i need.

I might need a favour off you Wormboy. I have a batch of L104 eggs that are now 8 days old and should be hatching in a day if not tonight. I have been coping a bit of flack due to the fact i cant verify the spawn because they are in 12inch bamboo cave and there is no chance to take images. I might need a second pair of eyes if you know what i mean to say "yes it can be done."

People are not happy that i am not telling them everything so they can go out and corner the market!

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Nivola,

This is digressing, but how big are your L104's

Mine are either not L104 or they are runts!!! None of them a bigger than 6 cm SL. They don't seem to have grown any in the ten months I've had them. Just got fatter and uglier :dntknw:

Alan

I suspect they may be L103 :B

Not that I am really worried, one way or the other it is another species to play with. Clown pleco or Dwarf Clown pleco :confused: be nice to know for sure.

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well u got me there! i think they would be 8cm if that maximum.

The females turn into Keg barrels!

I didnt even think about l103 but now im looking into it.

Just looked at the L103 on PC and it is the reverse markings to what i got so im still a l104 owner.

Im interested in seeing an image of your guys!

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As far as I'm aware, there are quite a few whiptails on the Australia scene.

These are just SOME of them that I've seen and remember off the top of my head

Long nose whiptail - barbatum

Sturisoma panamense - royal whiptail

Sturisoma festivum --- there's no difference between these and the royals when they are available pricewise.

Sturisoma foerschi

Rineloricaria parva

Rineloricaria hasemani

Rineloricaria fallax

Loricaria filamentosa

Farlowella acus --- Now these are cheap (barbatum price) when available!! Importable. Would never pay over $50 for a 12-15cm fish

Rineloricaria sp "Red lizard"

Pterosturisoma microps

Lamontichthys filamentosus

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Pterosturisoma microps

Lamontichthys filamentosus

Wow, these species are pretty cool Kev :lol4: Where and when'd you see them and for how much (around abouts)?

-Mat-

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Worm boy i have seen two filamentosus in my life at vebas years ago and i mean like 10 years ago!

These are two breeds that i am very very keenly looking for at the moment and have had no such luck finding!

Can Anyone help both of us!

Nivola

Pterosturisoma microps

Lamontichthys filamentosus

Wow, these species are pretty cool Kev :lol4: Where and when'd you see them and for how much (around abouts)?

-Mat-

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I have had Sturisoma foerschi for a few years. Started with 3 pair, been a couple of losses, but pretty sure there is one male and a couple of females still there.

Nothing spectacular, just another whip, but the only Sturisoma I have ever had that laid green eggs!!! and not in a tube like rhineloricaria either, up on the glass every time.

From memory they were only about $80 a pair, and they were adult when I got them. I have never put a lot of effort into the species as they are just another fish in my opinion, but they are not hard to spawn if some one is out to breed something a bit different.

Alan.

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I believe I had 3 X Sturisoma foerschi.

Picked them up for next to nothing (the guy he bought them off told him they grew to 1m+ and he assumed that)

Had them over a yr and grown little.

I lost one (dissappeared completely).

ATM I just moved them. One appears to have a terrible bloated under-belly - it's about 4mm bigger than the other one - it can't lie flat.

I'm wondering if these are eggs or if I have a problem (I have noticed lots of eggs in their tanks before but they were with bn's and I just assumed the obvious)

Cheers

Mitch

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