seecuta Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Hi guys, Im just about to treat my tank with white spot remedy (Aqua Master) with the active constituents of Formaldehyde and Malachite Green. The tank consists of discus's, geophagines, corydoras, peppermint catfish and a few whiptails. Now my question is are these chemicals safe on the above fish as all my tanks are heavily stocked and a hospital tank is not an option. I would prefer to treat the whole tank but some inhabitants can be moved if necessary. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Salita Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 personally if it was my tank I would do a half dose at the most with the peps, and whips in there. But I dont know for sure with the whips, so anyone else? ime cichlids can take full doses, but non-cichlids can be touchy with the formaldahyde hth, jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I'd go Protozin. taht's it. Protozin will be safe with the mentioned fish. Increase temps and increase oxygen levels / surface agitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.d.m Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 do a half dose with protozin , do 1 course wait three days then repeat the course if necessary , imo nothing else works as good as this stuff, for repeated outbreaks a gravel change is the go, good luck with this white spot nowadays seems to be quite a persistant strain that doesnt respond to the old remedies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6C1 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Nothing beats the old method. Salt, more oxygen, and increased temps to 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seecuta Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 well ive already got the aqua master white spot remedy sitting in the cabinet, anybody STRONGLY advise that i do not use this product at even half dose? i will begin treatment by the end of the night as i really want to control this asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 can medications "go off"? Seriously, have you tried salt & heat? No damage to your biological filter (unlike most of the meds) & safer for those catties. I dump a 500gm bag of rock salt into a 4x2x2 & let it disolve in the current, though I only had regular BN & a gibby in the tanks (plus the hardy every day CA/SA cichlids) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seecuta Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 By salt you mean rock salt (eg epsom??). My temp is already set at 30 for the discus and how safe is this salt treatment on the discus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 sea salt - you can get it at supermarkets. it's little crystals about 2-3mm across. same as you buy at a LFS but 1/10th the price 0.5-1g/L is the dosage rate, so for example 100-200g in a 200l tank edit: discus I have no idea about edited again: google "discus salt" & you get heaps of hits about it being used for medicinal purposed your fish, your choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canerod Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I note that someone suggested a repeat dose after 3 days if necessary. It is absolutely necessary, the life cycle of white spot is going to be at least 5 days long and even more if tank temps are lower. The parasite life cycle has 3 stages and only 1 of them can be treated effectively( the free swimming stage). In my opinion you should do at least 2 repeats at 3 day intervals, so a total of 3 treatments. If you need to 1/2 dose due to medicine affected fish you may need to dose for longer to get the desired eradication, Ive never kept delicate fish so someone else may know more about that. The risk with not doing the job properly is that you help to breed a medication resistant strain of whitespot, and its bad enough already without our help. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuong Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I'd definitely try the salt before the Malachite Green on those peppermints. Salt is fine for discus, just stick to the dosing ratios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seecuta Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 thanks for the suggestions Ash ive done a quick internet search and on the discusforums. rock salt treatment on discus is fine however ive read from a few sources that loaches, scaleless fish (bristlenose catfish was mentioned as such... ??), and corydoras cats wont tolerate this treatment. ive decided that i will move the geophagines into a hospital tank using pre-aged water from their existing tank and a secondary sponge filter stripped from another tank. the treatment used will be white spot remedy as ive used it before on horsefaces with no dramas. i will also follow canerod's treating cycles as i totally agree with all that is mentioned. Thanks for all the input guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 good luck with it! just watch for ammonia spikes if that white spot remedy kills the good bacteria. have some prime or similar handy & feed sparingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.d.m Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 canerod ,i said repeat the course if necessary, the course for protozin is 7 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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