GTR73 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I don't mean to make a shameless plug, but it is for one of the forum sponsors:- did anyone see the prices of the Aqua Pro Canisters at AOA? Unbelievable!!! I've never, ever, seen external canisters that cheap. I wish stuff was that cheap when I first got into this hobby - my 3ft I had when I was 15yrs old had a crappy undergravel filter. Now for a night's casual work at Maccas a young kid can afford an external canister for their first aquarium! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrdog Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Yep, the deals Ben offers are bloody awesome!!!!! Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I thought they were cheap before!! Now the 1000lph model is only $50!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Hmmm tempted to move away from my Eheims now.................... That's a pretty low price for an external maybe there is an reason why they are being sold off cheap, new model perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee427 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 i ordered a 1500 if i knew i would have waited till today i have a 1200 allready it works fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6C1 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I have PRO AQUA 1500 from Ben last year. I have it running along with my other filters on my 6x2x2. I like it. The only thing I dont like about it is the flimsy taps. I have it now filled up with biological media so I dont have to open it iup as often. But for $70!!! THATS NUTS! I'm tempted to buy one :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTR73 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 I got one for my dad's tank before Xmas and it's still crankin' along ok and operating quietly. Contrary to popular belief it came with heaps of hose and fittings, enough media and the unit as a whole is surprisingly robust (not as much cheap plastic as I expected). I didn't check out the impellor but I suspect it has a stainless steel shaft rather than longer lasting ceramic. I see the 1000L/Hr model I got is now only $50 at AOA, so I guess you can't go wrong for that kinda price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leungie Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I am def. interested in the 1500lph model but would that be sufficent for my 4x2x2, which I intend to keep an silver arowana, 2 plecos, a few silver sharks and a few (no more than 5) cichlids like small salvinis, eartheaters and jack dempseys? Coz I don't really want to keep 2 filters going at once... Your help is much appreciated. Cheers. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 No, it wont be sufficient for your 4x2x2 with the mentioned fish. the plecos will produce lots of wastes and the filter simply wont be able to cope with the amoutn of water. its best if you add a basic eheim filter as well... maybe an internal filter too..for mechanical filtration. best is to get a mini reef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6C1 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I would add a good internal as well. Are you planning on having gravel in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leungie Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Yeah at the moment I have gravel/ driftwood/ rocks in there already. Using a aquaclear500 at the moment but I think its too noisy + looking for a better filter. How about the Eheim Professional 2229 wet/dry filter? (Sorry I am new to the forum, should I be starting a new thread for this?) Thanks again James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 very expensive the 2229...probably a better bet in you case is the 2028 with another filter or 2250/2260 if you can find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novafishy Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 a 2260 is pretty expensive too. maybe a 2217 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 i thought of the 2217 but he would probably need 2 to fit that bioload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6C1 Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I reckon with one single canister that should suffice. Add an internal power filter, and you can get away with it. Why not get an pro aqua 1500 (Very cheap from Age of Aquarium. http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/ ) and fill up with bio media? Read my post here. http://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=22092 If you have gravel, the poo will sink in there, and in that case you will need to gravel siphon more often thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leungie Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 so just say i can get the 2229 for a decent price... would just one of them be enough? or I would still need two? Thanks guys for your advice~ heaps appreciated~!!! Now I'm annoyed that I didn't find this forum earlier~ hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 so just say i can get the 2229 for a decent price... would just one of them be enough? or I would still need two? Thanks guys for your advice~ heaps appreciated~!!! Now I'm annoyed that I didn't find this forum earlier~ hehe ← Your tank is in the overstocked category. I'll endorse the statement that you can't have too much filtration just like you can't drink too much water (neither is 100% true but when was the last time you heard of someone drinking too much water or overfiltering?) And there is also a difference between "sufficient" filtration and thriving tank. A friend ran a standard 4ft on a 2217 overstocked with Africans and it was fine for over a year. Then he added a second one and the fish has never looked healthier. Overkill? Only if you can't afford it. Otherwise, measurable benefit easily. After you get the 2229, add another 1000LPH cannister and your fish will thank you for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leungie Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thanks heaps for that~ I've decided on the eheim 2217 + aqua-pro 1500 + Fluval 4x internal filter to run with my current uv steriliser. That should be adequate~ Thanks all for your suggestions!!!!! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTR73 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 For what it's worth, I was tempted to order a Pro Aqua special from AOA but decided to get a Sacem Marathon 2000 instead(also on special at AOA). I've had a Marathon 1000 for a few years and they really are an outstanding canister filter. Aside from better quality, there is no chance of water bypassing the media as can be a problem with the Pro Aqua with its sometimes ill fitting trays and the inlet tube relying on the internal pipe to seal at each level. Might be ok for the Eheim originals but the cheaper version . . . ? I guess it boils down to: Made in Italy Vs Made in China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwboy53 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I have two sacem 300 cannister filters and they were ok, but not brilliant. The plastic screws to hold the hose snapped after a few months, and I never opened them. The new ones have the tap fitting which is an improvement. Also they were a little noisy, not bad, but you could hear them humm. Plus they did not like any air trapped inside what so ever, as a result I have a damaged impellor. I replaced the filter with a Pro Aqua 1200 and have been very happy since. I did not have to clean the cannister for 1 year! Its very quiet and can tollerate air inside fairly well. I suppose it's because they were based on Eheim. Out of the two, I would prefer the Pro Aqua, for the reasons mentioned. But they are boths good filters, but just make sure you prime the sacem right, to avoid problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fecat Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 So how do you prime the filter? I run a 2217 and the pro aqua 1500 and my proaqua seem to have much better flow than the Eheim!!! I also have the pro aqua 1200 and it is so noisy. I would say it got air trapped inside. So, how to you prime the Pro Aqua and the Eheim correctly? can some one here give out some instruction??? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wui39 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 ummmm I would expect the pro aqua 1500 to have a higher flow rate...it is rated at like 1500Lph as opposed to the 2217 @ 1000Lph. I find the best way is to make sure the return line is free of water, then when you open the taps the water rushes in and displaces most of the air. A few shakes while its runnning and all the air clears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwboy53 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 So how do you prime the filter? I run a 2217 and the pro aqua 1500 and my proaqua seem to have much better flow than the Eheim!!! I also have the pro aqua 1200 and it is so noisy. I would say it got air trapped inside. So, how to you prime the Pro Aqua and the Eheim correctly? can some one here give out some instruction??? thanks ← I don't know about the eheim, but on the Pro Aqua, you just push the button on the top of the filter (where the logo is) a few times and it will suck some water into the filter to get the gravity feed started. I get the output hose and point it in a bucket on the floor to let some water flow first to help get rid of the air trapped inside. You could always do it the old fashoned way of sucking on the hose, but personally I am not crazy about the taste Oh, only turn on the filter after the filter is primed. Letting it run for 5-10 minutes and turning it off and on a few times will help displace any air trapped inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTR73 Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 I do it the old fashioned way - siphon water thru the inlet pipe thru the tap, turn off the tap (obviously), connect to the canister, turn tap on, siphoned water flows into and completely fills canister, turn on the canister. All seemed pretty straight forward to me. As far as the siphoning part goes, I just have a bucket ready, give a big suck on the pipe, remove my gob out of the way and before any water comes out turn off the tap immediately. I aim it over the bucket and turn the tap back on and if it's siphoning properly water steadily flows into the bucket no dramas. As far as trapped air goes, if it you let the inlet pipe siphon into the canister for a minute so to make sure any bubbles aren't trapped in it. The return line will have air in it usually but when you crank it up that'll get pushed thru. And like wui39 suggested, I give my canisters a few shakes to displace any more trapped air. I've found canisters to be nice and quiet if there's no trapped air - this usually accounts for any extra noise or other problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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