YeW Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hi All - Was at a friends house yesterday and noticed some odd looking C. moorii. They were heavily barred ala Aulonocara or Sciaenochromis. They apparently come from a different breeders tank in which there are electric blues and moorii breeding simultaneously. Do ppl think they are moorii or hybrids? I've certainly not seen "barring" like this the moorii I kept. Apologies for the very blurry pic (had to crop a very small section out of a much larger image due to the fish hiding in the back of some rocks the whole time lol!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAZ Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hi All - Was at a friends house yesterday and noticed some odd looking C. moorii. They were heavily barred ala Aulonocara or Sciaenochromis. They apparently come from a different breeders tank in which there are electric blues and moorii breeding simultaneously. Do ppl think they are moorii or hybrids? I've certainly not seen "barring" like this the moorii I kept. Apologies for the very blurry pic (had to crop a very small section out of a much larger image due to the fish hiding in the back of some rocks the whole time lol!). ← Hi Dave That is definately the wrong colour for true moorii (unless it is just the pic being blown up), and the barring is too vivid and too close to each other. Moorii do have barring, but it is very faint and a lot further apart than that in the photo. The barring generally shows only when they are resting or at peace. They have largish dark blotching on their flanks too. Their colour is a lot paler blue too on the body, tending to look grey on their heads, face and lips. WAZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted March 25, 2005 Author Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hi Waz - The colours not too wrong (though they do get paler). The barring is certainly that obvious, though fades up and down. I also think they may be 1/2 moori 1/2 electric blue crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McCormick Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hi Guys, I'll go with Waz on this one, Ive kept moorii for quite a few years and going by the one photo it definately doesn't look right. My moorii have crossed with my peacocks so it definately is possible. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoliroMan Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dave... since u r the SCF Founder what r u going to do with a hybrid in your tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Definately a cross...the markings and colour are both wrong. merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Was at a friends house yesterday and noticed some odd looking C. moorii since u r the SCF Founder what r u going to do with a hybrid in your tank? Why would you assume it's in Dave's tank? The fish is in my tank. I have a few of them and they just don't look right. I have not bred them, I purchased them from someone. And to answer your question about what will become of them, I will probably donate them to someone with a big angry amercian as a snack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoliroMan Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 sorry my mistake! i don't think i could make myself feed a hybrid fish to an American! Does seem rather cruel! Why don't u just keep it as a display fish and cull all the fry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 These still are fry. Or Juvies perhaps you'd call them. They are still less than 2 inches in size. I dont have room for them here, and would rather not have them floating around the hobby in case they were bred from by accident. If you are volunteering to house them and never breed from them, you're welcome to them free of charge. But it's a big responsibility considering they will probably live 10 yrs or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 They don't look right IMO, apart from the colouring (I agree with WAZ, it is off, not just too bright, but also looks somewhat the wrong shade of blue to me - but that could be this monitor) and barring. I think the head looks wrong too. Moorrii have a very distinct head shape IMO and I don't think it's quite right. BaZ I have some nice dolphins, which I am not sure I can make a go of now, if you still want to give them a shot, let me know, I will have to decide whether to let them go, but the decision would be easier if you were taking them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Speak to me Duck PM me perhaps, as this is not the classifieds forum and I'd hate to have to warn myself for being naughty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoliroMan Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 thx for the offer Baz! i have my own hybrid problem at the moment that is why i was so sensitive to this issue. hope u find some kind soul to take these unwanted hybrids on. u r right it is a great responsibilty! dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I just moved my dolphins in with my fronts while I sort out a new tank for them. For the first 20 minutes or so, some of them did exhibit that richer colour and certainly had prominant barring. However they have returned to "normal" now. So what I am suggesting is that although the colour and barring appears to be wrong I wouldn't use those two charateristics to doom the fish BaZ. However, as others have alluded to, the shape of the fish, especially the head, is wrong. Here is a trio of mine...clearly denotes the correct head shape merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAZ Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Good lookin heads toooo merjo. Incidentally, they are not doomed now!!!! WAZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Yes the fish are no longer doomed. If I can get a positive ID that they are true moorii then I will keep them. Otherwise they will go to Waz who has offered to care for them in a display-only tank. Having seen Waz's tank I know they will have a long and happy life with him Note: these fish were bred in a community-style tank. The breeder breeds these fish in the same tank as electric blues. If we have all jumped to conclusions here and they are pure fish, I will be very happy indeed and would be very happy to be able to bring good news to the breeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Im more inclined to think x EB by the color in the lips and pectoral fin shape. Overal shape could be just the fact its a juvie nice looking fish all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted March 26, 2005 Author Share Posted March 26, 2005 Hi Moliro Man - No prob's. Its a simple misunderstanding Yes, I saw your deleted post where you were trying to re-home some potential hybrids. In your case I think the best course of action (on reflection) is to try and find someone on the forum who you trust (or a off-forum fish friend who's equally trustworthy) and has a big display tank. For the squeamish, fish can, provided your assured that they'll never be bred, be given to such a person. We removed your ad as we think its something that is better done with the certainly that they are going somewhere, where breeding certainly isnt an option for them. David aka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Compare Baz's fish to Jefflid's juvenile C. moorii in the March Photo Comp. http://ace.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14234&st=15 Ged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoliroMan Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Sorry Dave, When i read that post again it sounded like a personal attack on your integrity as SCP Founder. Forgive me for throwing the first stone! I guess i was just a bit angry at how i was austracised for trying to move some hybrid tropheus with no intention of promoting it on this forum. I would not like to see a colony of hybrid tropheus for sale in the future because of my actions. I have found a kind soul who has gracefully offered to take on my "unwanted" who is a responsible aquarist who has and will never have any intention of starting a breeding colony of hybrids! Only problem is that this saint lives very far away! Can u recommend anyone else who lives locally who would like to take on this big responsibility? thx Dave Ps. Sorry...'one that cannot be named" i will try locally and if there is no one interested i will try to ship them to u! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeW Posted March 26, 2005 Author Share Posted March 26, 2005 Hi Dave - Not sure - its certainly a tricky one. Dont worry about the stone (I didnt take it as such) and I understand your dilemma in this. What we are anxious to avoid is ppl offering hybrids (albeit for free, and well intentioned to either unscrupulous folk (and sadly there are some of these about) or people who simply dont understand the problem). An option you could consider is a display tank of your own. They'd look good in there and you can ensure that they dont get out and into the wrong persons hands. Again, dont worry about the misunderstanding - it wasnt a problem for me Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViS Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Dave, I know who has offered to take them, and this will probably not help, but if you can get them to Newcastle, I can ship them, or alternatively you are welcome to use my Virgin blue account to ship them from Sydney so it won't cost very much. I'd take them myself if I had a display tank, but I don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoliroMan Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 Thanks for the offer Andy! Could i bring the fish to u sometime this or next week and could u be so kind to ship them to u know who? I just can't get time off work to do this. Do u have a temporary holding tank to keep them in? Your help will be most appreciated! thx Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.s Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 just my 2 cents - as soon as I saw the pic I thought it was a fryeri cross mainly because of the style of barring and the head shape - its also prolly relevant to note that elecric blues will get into bed with pretty much anything that moves, so the fact that they were bred in a tank with eblues only makes me more sus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nannat Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 do they have a white line on the pectoral fins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 27, 2005 Share Posted March 27, 2005 It's hard to tell as they are still quite small, but there seems to be a white 'outline' on the bottom of the pec fins. Is this good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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