The cichlid Man Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hi all, I need someone who is very sound with central american cichlids. I have just received some new Herichthys. They were imports, i have seen the invoices and know 100% that they were imported but they come in as "Texas Cichlids". Now in australia i am only aware of the Herichthys Carpintis "Texas Cichlid". The ones i have don't look like the known texas cichlids. I have researched into the species and i think they are Herichthys sp. "Rio salto" or Herichthys labridens. If ID properly we could have a new genuine species of herichtys in the country. I appreciate any help Regards, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Ben email me pics and I will host/post for you. I doubt very much is they were imported legally with that there name as I am pretty sure they aren't legal imports? Will check list though. oops forgot my email johnducksbury@@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Well my brother was on PC for an hour so they're a bit late. Plus had to resize them all - thanks Ben OK new Herichthys Normal H' carpinte Ben let me know if I labelled any wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 They don't look too far off the 'True Texas' to me H' cyanoguttam Of course I haven't looked into them for quite a while. (carpinte is "Blue Texas") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeyBoyR Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hmmm, I'm not really an americans person but to me they do look different. Granted they are similar, but to my eye there is a definate difference there *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Morelia Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Not that i in any way consider myself a Central American "Guru" But they look an awful lot like cyanoguttatum to me. Sorry, i'm not being much help. Keep us updated ! Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katanaone Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 from memory they look very much like some fish at my mates place, the same guy who got you the pair in the bottom pics (looking good by the way) if anything he'd be the guru we're after. i will go around and have a look when i have some free time i.e. Tomorrow,when i finish my last uni assignment for the year!! cheers mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danpri Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 They look like a Texas, Jack Dempsey hybrid, not saying they are, but they look Dempsey-ish round the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrseby Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Best thing to do would be to get in contact with the exporter !!!! Maybe they are just from a diff location ..mmmmmmmmm They do look diff.....mmmm Let me do a bit more fumbling around ... IL BE BACK LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid silly Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 were you thinking labridens blue? i might go for a search over jeff rapps site for a id. better still why dont you post a pic on aqua mojo , there s some very keen cichlid gurus there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 They look like a Texas, Jack Dempsey hybrid, not saying they are, but they look Dempsey-ish round the mouth. I agree... merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subgirl Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 were you thinking labridens blue? i might go for a search over jeff rapps site for a id. better still why dont you post a pic on aqua mojo , there s some very keen cichlid gurus there? Seems it's already been done. 3 out of 4 agree that they're H. cyanoguttatus looks like normal cyano's to me, too. Looks like H. cyanoguttatus that I've ran across here as well. Either cyanoguttatus or carpintis, but I'd lean more towards cyanoguttatus. That white sand may be washing out their colors...I had some carpintis that were that color with bright sand that darkened up with darker gravel...but by the time they reached that size, their spots were much larger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The cichlid Man Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 I have been in contact with Jeff Rapps and he has identified them as Herichthys cyanoguttatum 100% and there is definetly no hybrid in them. This means that we have a new species in australia. Regards, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subgirl Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Very good Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 how many do you have though? Surely if it's only what's in that tank you'd be breeding them? are they all related or wild caught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Sorry Ben, they are nice fish and all - but i don't think these are the first cyanoguttatum in the country- nor do I think they'd be considered new. However I think due to common names, they have just been interbred with the carpinte in the past. I am quite certain that an associate has a large male cyanoguttatum which is about 6-8 years old at least by my estimation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The cichlid Man Posted November 9, 2004 Author Share Posted November 9, 2004 Ducky, I have never seen any of these before anywhere. If you have seen them where abouts and can you get pics. What do you suggest i do with them, breed or keep as display fish. Regards, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabros Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hi Guys, Nice fish there Ben however 20 came in about 6-8 months ago at 7 cm. Most went interstate. HTH Brett Ducksta is correct they have been here before nearly lost to the hobby and many were crossed. Not many around ATM and you would be silly to just display them if they are correct. I would be breeding them and getting them back into the hobby BEFORE they are lost to the hobby again. Thats my opinion. Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mianos Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 One thing about they cyanoguttatum is they a quite tolerant of lower temperatures (down to 14C), more than JDs. edited by request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 I agree with Brett. I would definately be breeding them as they look as pure as anything else we have here *sniggers* If you don't want them, you can PM me prices and I can make a decision as i wouldn't mind them But yes, I would try to keep a good pure strain of texas around for as long as possible if I were you edit: ps. Will try get a pic of the big boy I know of He is a real bruiser too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katanaone Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 i checked out my mates place and it looks like he has some hybrids on closer inspection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrseby Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Hay mianos thank you for the edit !!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The cichlid Man Posted November 9, 2004 Author Share Posted November 9, 2004 Mrseby Thankyou for your information. I have been emailing jeff rapps and he has confirmed to me that they are Herichthys cyanoguttatum 100% and there is definetly no hybrid in them. He also had other opinions from People overseas and they agreed. I also checked with the person who imported them and he checked with the people who exported them and they also agreed that they were Herichthys cyanoguttatum which is known in there country as the texas cichlids. Also i took those pics 5 minutes after i put them in there new home so they were a little stressed. I will try and get some new pics. It would be good to breed them to get the numbers back in australia. Regards, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 How they don't look like any of the Herichthys cyanoguttatus pictures online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discusdude Posted November 9, 2004 Share Posted November 9, 2004 Texas Texas 2 Keep in mind the fish in this post are juveniles. Also i shouldnt be using that horrible common name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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