frozen fresh fish food

[Ducksta]

4 hours ago, Buccal said:

Has there been any research found on being,,,,,,,,,.     Instead of replacing with vege alternatives, for a start most know about terrestrial animal proteins being out of the question,,,,,,,, but maybe vigorous reproducing insects like the common feeder crickets seen.

Have they studied proteins derived from insects, possibly aquatic insects ????

They keep saying this will be the new super food for people. 

And in terms of protein production is apparently incredibly efficient. Compared to beef production, purely based on some nutrition kpis (ie. Not portion sized or taste) it was more efficient by a factor of something crazy like 100x.

There are certainly plenty of species of fish that feed on a large proportion of insects (and larvae) in the wild too (at least seasonally).

[Buccal]

That's right Ducksta, this is why I bought it up.

Surely the protein types from insects would be compatible or easily reconfigured as comparable for specialist diet fish such as our Africans,,, especially the aquatic insects.

 

There is a fair bit of investment gone into the future for insect derived human supplementation,,, as you said the efficiency is crazy as the shear reproductive rate speed is that of a short life cycle insect,,,,, and the protein is through the roof in percentage.

Various moths, beetle larvae, grass hoppers, frogs and snails are just the tip of the ice berg,,, they just breed so hard and fast.

For own consumption and as well as our fish,, the insect foods would be processed in various ways.

In Rural China areas, they string a dead animal carcus up from the shack ceiling and let these super giant flies lay maggots into.

The maggots are super huge crazy looking things,,,, the residents boil a pot of oil underneath the dead animal full of big juicy maggots,,, they give the dead animal a mild beating in the side with a stick,,, and yessssss the maggots fall into oil and get deep fried to a outer crunchy shell filled with lovely warm puss,,, oohh yeeaahh.

Insects have been consumed buy humans for hundreds of years already, even thousands.

Garden snails in France.....

So why isn't fish foods hardly ever seen with insects used,,,,, though I have seen the Tropical brand fish food do earthworm pellets and bloodworm spears.

The fuel/cost to feed the growing food source is vegetable and very cheap and easy to obtain.

Where as say comparing to Barramundi as a food source,, the Barra need pelletized feed that needs to be bought and obviously manufactured.

Ive compared Barra because of a reasonable growth rate for comparison the growth rate of insects.

Insect processing companies would  likely need much less room or space than cattle, even Barra demands.

Insect fish foods packed with spirallina and other bits n pieces. ????

[Chuckmeister]

edit - deleted as a waste of time

[Buccal]

Do you mean waiste of time because of the topic change ?

[Link2Hell]

I think Chuckie needs to break out the Playstation and get the driving module working

it's hot lap time 

[RD.]

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So why isn't fish foods hardly ever seen with insects used,,,,,

Not APHIS approved most likely reason, most not GRAS either.  Some countries pretty anal about what they let in, and what gets turned back at the border.

[Buccal]

Hmm red tape, well that sux,,,,,.  What is GRAS ???

[RD.]

http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/GRAS/

Generally Recognized As Safe

[Skippy]

2 hours ago, RD. said:

http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/GRAS/

Generally Recognized As Safe

the FDA  I'm not sure I trust any organization that considers pizza a vegetable

[Buccal]

But the question is I guess,,, is it not recognized as safe because it's been tested ?, or is it regarded not safe because it hasn't got the stamp of approval but not looked at or tested yet ?.

I guess as the sense of urgency increases in the future, ways of making it possibly work may see promises.

[Chuckmeister]

lol,  life is a hotlink (oops, lap) (broom, bruum) 

peas...hyperbole

[maxib]

My opinion...feed fish what you want but remember they do just fine in the wild without it. 

[Buccal]

16 hours ago, maxib said:

My opinion...feed fish what you want but remember they do just fine in the wild without it. 

I think you may have determined the reasoning of the off topic, topic of track,,,,, It's not about trying new foods or inventing others,,,,,,,  the World human population in the near or distant future, will impact the current economic ways of breeding beef, legal fish foods extraction from the ocean.

Insects are a perfect food source for humans but we don't indulge,,,,, they cost a miniscule of what beef costs kilo for kilo.

Its said, that some sort of drastic change in fishery laws including extraction of fish for aquaculture foods and feeding for livestock,,, once this happens, alternatives will need to be found, possibly steering for terrstrial higher protein types for fast growing fish feeds,,, as per usual this would disrupt and end ornamental foods with harvested wild ingredients,,,,, via law.

But the change from big chunky tasty beef streaks to cricket patties is a big change,, for us humans lol.

Humans always ignore the fact of reality,,,,, we can't just keep taking more than what can be replaced indefinitely, smarter ideas and ultimate decision making is will be needed,,, possibly our life time, our children or their children lifetime.

Humans are the only living on earth that can't practice balance of anything......

Unfortunately the best human is only as good as the average out of the entire world population.(which effects the world).

How can a animal be so smart and intelligent,,,, yet so dumb they kill themselves, even cutting of their noses despite their faces.

To be a human hmmmmmm

[Buccal]

Hang on !!!!!,,, did I end that in poem form, lol.

[RD.]

Is there really a place called Two Rocks?  I thought that you might find the following interesting, they also mention the use of insects as a potential source for aquaculture feed in the future.

 

http://fishfarminginternational.com/the-real-deal-on-the-future-of-fishmeal/

 

 

 

[Chuckmeister]

Two Rocks is in the boonies...barely a  WA society and only just a (civil) coastal community to most locals   Buccal is the exception

I've been to 2 rocks and checked on the internet. There were 2 rocks, though they did have 2 spare,  a couple of natives and of course Buccal...other than Buccal the rocks were the highlight!!

 

[RD.]

LOL, I suppose that I shouldn't laugh too loud, I live in a city called Red Deer.

[Skippy]

11 hours ago, RD. said:

I thought that you might find the following interesting, they also mention the use of insects as a potential source for aquaculture feed in the future.

 

http://fishfarminginternational.com/the-real-deal-on-the-future-of-fishmeal/

 

Australian scientists have developed a commercial prawn feed based on plankton reducing the need to rape the ocean for fish protein

http://www.csiro.au/en/Research/AF/Areas/Aquaculture/Better-feeds/Novacq-prawn-feed

[Buccal]

14 hours ago, RD. said:

Is there really a place called Two Rocks?  I thought that you might find the following interesting, they also mention the use of insects as a potential source for aquaculture feed in the future.

 

http://fishfarminginternational.com/the-real-deal-on-the-future-of-fishmeal/

 

 

 

Well, looks like some are already onto it, and in other areas like the prawn industry as Skippy pointed out and showed us, I'd say it's only the matter of time,, I do like the sound of microbial and plankton cultures to replace the protein part.

And yes RD, as Chuck said it exists, Two Rocks is basically two big buM rocks sitting on the shoreline,, maybe 40x40m size rocks roughly,,, the small town ship just 20 mins drive from metro density, is basically populated with rough bogan like people that are very stuck in the past roughly stuck in the 70-80's lol.

Ive lived here for the last 10 years of my life and before that the first 30 years in Greenwood, another bogan place back in the day.

I live in the more recent real estate which is semi rural and all acerage, mine is 4.5acres,, of beautiful tuart tree bush land and only 4 minutes from the beach and mariner where my pen is to house my 24ft boat.

A designed and built my own dream home which is basically three quarter commercial style build, lots of glass windows with 6.5 meter high ceilings, full of red cedar and 15 other species of timber through out,,,,,,,, second story alfresco over the ground level alfresco....

So I live in the extravagant part lol,,,, I have everything I want and truly living the dream,,, I can have breed rooms as big as I want, I can build as many ponds or dams as I like,,,,, I might be living in the toffee nose section, but I look every bit bogan and fit in with all the bogans lol.

Its truly a marvelous place, electric blue wrens cover my lawn with red breasted robins also,,, bee eater birds and crazy colored kingfisher type birds, goannas, snakes and whacky insect life,,,, I'm right at home here.   

[benno]

1 hour ago, Buccal said:

Well, looks like some are already onto it, and in other areas like the prawn industry as Skippy pointed out and showed us, I'd say it's only the matter of time,, I do like the sound of microbial and plankton cultures to replace the protein part.

And yes RD, as Chuck said it exists, Two Rocks is basically two big buM rocks sitting on the shoreline,, maybe 40x40m size rocks roughly,,, the small town ship just 20 mins drive from metro density, is basically populated with rough bogan like people that are very stuck in the past roughly stuck in the 70-80's lol.

Ive lived here for the last 10 years of my life and before that the first 30 years in Greenwood, another bogan place back in the day.

I live in the more recent real estate which is semi rural and all acerage, mine is 4.5acres,, of beautiful tuart tree bush land and only 4 minutes from the beach and mariner where my pen is to house my 24ft boat.

A designed and built my own dream home which is basically three quarter commercial style build, lots of glass windows with 6.5 meter high ceilings, full of red cedar and 15 other species of timber through out,,,,,,,, second story alfresco over the ground level alfresco....

So I live in the extravagant part lol,,,, I have everything I want and truly living the dream,,, I can have breed rooms as big as I want, I can build as many ponds or dams as I like,,,,, I might be living in the toffee nose section, but I look every bit bogan and fit in with all the bogans lol.

Its truly a marvelous place, electric blue wrens cover my lawn with red breasted robins also,,, bee eater birds and crazy colored kingfisher type birds, goannas, snakes and whacky insect life,,,, I'm right at home here.   

Sounds bloody awesome mate. Extremely jealous haha. 

[Buccal]

Yeah, but I worked bloody hard for a long time and still going now, so hard, I have to accept I can't enjoy what I have because of work, I do get sat, sun and mon free of work, but I'm so flogged out mentally as a result of physical stress, so I can't feel relaxed and enjoy time for fishing or most other things, it seems like the fun stuff is a job to,,, but I'm happy staying home, I've made my paradise in my day to day living, besides, work slowing down is just around the corner, then I'll be glad I set myself up.

[RD.]

Sounds nice, good for you Buccal.  I get excited watching the snow melt in my yard. The only thing we share is red breasted robins.   

Feeding prawns is a snap compared to feeding carnivorous species of fish. That is where the real challenge lies, and where most of the focus has been in the aquaculture circles for the past 10-15 years. Cheaper, and more sustainable than fish, such as processed peas, algae, maybe even insects one day. There are TONS and TONS of small boney fish available, but now that those same fish are being consumed by humans, in places such as Africa, aquaculture may have to get in the waiting line, or pay a very dear price. Krill is an excellent alternative IMO, but not cheap either. I suspect that we will see more krill based food in the future as the price between fish meal and krill gets further & further apart..

[Buccal]

Oh the red breasted robin in the US to,,, they are quite universal then, because I know they're in Europe to, but I'd say there would be specie variations.

I also see now, the techden here is selling those new pellets, blackworm dry sinking pellets, might see how they go with the ray pups.

i Reckon it will come down to whatever is easiest to farm and culture protein rich food sources, as wild extraction to serve human population is just to out of balance now,,, maybe some technology may come about with changing protein types through some sort of conversion to make compatible for certain fish types/needs,,,, some things that seem so simple can be pretty involved.

Definetely a interesting topic...

[RD.]

FYI ..... looks like a Canadian/USA based company has started producing "bug" based food.

 

Nutrafin Bug Bites Tropical Fish Formula Fish Food provides your fish with an insect-rich and salmon diet that provides essential nutrients. This food is specially formulated to address the natural, insect-based feeding habits of fish, and promotes healthy growth and development.

Features: Provide essential nutrients vital to growth and development
Food Type: Fish food
Food Consistency: Bug Bites
Life Stage: All
Primary Ingredient: Black soldier fly larvae
Pet Size: Available in sizes for small to medium fish (45 g) and medium to large fish (130 g)

 

Ingredients:
Black Soldier Fly Larvae, Salmon, Fish Protein Concentrate, Green Peas, Potato, Wheat, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, DL-Methionine, Lecithin, Choline Chloride, L-Lysine, Vitamin E Supplement, Biotin, Niacin, Calcium L-Ascorbyl-2-Monophosphate, Marigold Extract, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract, Riboflavin, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Inositol, Folic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin D3 Supplement

 

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (min) 40.0%
Crude Fat (min) 12.5%
Crude Fiber (max) 5.0%
Moisture (max) 10.0%
Ash (max) 9.0%
Calcium (min) 1.50%
Phosphorus (min) 0.80%
Vitamin A (min) 2,500 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 (min) 2,400 IU/kg
Vitamin E (min) 75 IU/kg

 

Analytical Constituents:
Protein 40.0%
Fat Content 12.5%
Crude Fiber 5.0%
Moisture 10.0%

 

Inorganic Matter (%) Additives (Ui/kg):
(Vitamin A E672) 7,500
(Vitamin D3 E671) 600
Calcium Iodate, E2 (mg/kg) 1.05
Copper Sulphate Pentahydrate, E4 (mg/kg) 12.02
Manganouse Oxide, E5 (mg/kg) 140
Zinc Oxide, E6 (mg/kg) 160
Sodium Selenite, E8 (mg/kg) 0.4

[malrift]

Repashy has the insectivore product called grub pie. A few other foods have assorted insect or larvae meals added but not as a main ingredient.