noddy 0 Posted November 12, 2013 Hi All, I posted a photo of a lepto the other day and was told to start treating with metro due to the pink in the gills. I was told that it looked like early signs of wastage. What is everyone's experience in with wastage. All fish are still eating (if fact I now have a second mouthful) but if it is in fact wastage I'd like to get onto it asap. I did previously lose a pair of wild caught gobies in that tank that had red gills. Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate all at zero. Other tankmates are L. meleagris and 2 bristles. If metro is the go what dosage rate should I use? Thanks in advanceTrav Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPM1976 2 Posted November 12, 2013 Not sure if it will help i just bred my german imports of Cyp.Lept.Jumbo Livua, 14 fry.Now i have 4 left10 of them died due to wasting don't know why but it seems to happen to this fish too often, never willever buy them again.No one can even tell u why which is even more frustrating all u get told is could be a number of thingsok like what Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Link2Hell 205 Posted November 13, 2013 Have a read of this post by Craig Thttp://www.aceforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=17398 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tangenit 0 Posted November 14, 2013 I lost a two cyps which had wasted.....after little to no answer why i acutually gutted one..there was no visual signs of anything wrong from anal fin right up to just behind the gills, iv seperated the head to find pink gills right into the back of its mouth...infection imo which made it sensitive and rough on the fish to eat which explained why they were spitting the food.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tangenit 0 Posted November 14, 2013 I lost a two cyps which had wasted.....after little to no answer why i acutually gutted one..there was no visual signs of anything wrong from anal fin right up to just behind the gills, iv seperated the head to find pink gills right into the back of its mouth...infection imo which made it sensitive and rough on the fish to eat which explained why they were spitting the food.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tranced 0 Posted November 14, 2013 heh thats pretty funny! unfortunately, unless you have a microscope and a degree in microbiology then you probably wont get to the bottom of this... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shon982 0 Posted November 14, 2013 heh thats pretty funny! unfortunately, unless you have a microscope and a degree in microbiology then you probably wont get to the bottom of this...Hmm in that case, I'll ask my lecturer regarding the issue and maybe if I can have a look myself under a microscope... now I just have to wait for it to happen to a lepto of mine haha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tangenit 0 Posted November 16, 2013 My intention was to see anything obvious as im not a scientist.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shon982 0 Posted November 17, 2013 Short answer is no then.I have spoken to a few vets, and researched scientists and we've decided to maybe try doing research in the area regarding wastings with Leptosoma and/or Bloat with Tropheus to find the cause and treatment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noddy65 0 Posted November 17, 2013 Hi Shon...the current consensus is that this is a single symtpon caused by a number of diseasesMike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shon982 0 Posted November 17, 2013 Any idea of the diseases causing it?There were some indications of a chlamydia spp. of bacteria that may be causing the issue but we're looking at collecting specimens for PCR testing and to identify if it is caused by normal flora and triggers. Also why it happens more commonly to 1 species and 1 individual at a time usually. Also to find a suitable medication for the cause.The symptom is the wasting away of the fish but the number of diseases need to be figured out whether it is even bacterial for startersThe problem with it being a single symptom caused by a number of diseases is that - say it was bacteria - there would be different symptoms because each spp. of bacteria is different with different requirements and effects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noddy65 0 Posted November 17, 2013 Hmmm...not really...different species (bacteria, virus, mycoplasma) can cause almost exactly the same signs and symptoms (in humans a cough could be caused by virus, bacteria, tumours, foreign bodies etc etc)....chlamydia might be one, mycobacteria is another.....Id have to dig up the paper again and read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shon982 0 Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Ok let me know what info you find, the Ph.D research staff at my university are pretty interested in finding the actual cause of the disease and a treatment Edited November 17, 2013 by shon982 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noddy65 0 Posted November 17, 2013 Yeh...its a pretty good topic for a Phd student I reckon...my wife is interested as well but she needs SICK fish, not dead fish....its sometimes difficult to get someone to sacrifice their still swimming fish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shon982 0 Posted November 17, 2013 Nah not students...Hmm hopefully we can all work together to figure it out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tranced 0 Posted November 17, 2013 My intention was to see anything obvious as im not a scientist....heh, me neither! it would be good to get some sort of expert to do an autopsy though, they might be be able to notice subtle things that we would miss... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aqc 9 Posted November 17, 2013 (edited) Yeh...its a pretty good topic for a Phd student I reckon...my wife is interested as well but she needs SICK fish, not dead fish....its sometimes difficult to get someone to sacrifice their still swimming fishMike - I can send you some 'live samples'of africans not cyps, that I am treating atm. ie. If they don't respond and remain alive, so as long as the findings don't come back as 'fish MB!' lol ship by air, so airport pickup, regards, Ian Edited November 17, 2013 by aqc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites