GreekStylez Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Hi All, Just wondering if any of you guys have a cheap and feasible approach to finding or purchasing (cheaply) some nice rocks to include in a display tank. Any ideas? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve24cro Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 try landscape supplies or if you need alot of rock, id go in bush somewhere and take a few pieces (if no one sees ya). I know thats illegal, but REALISTICALLY hey who wants to pay top price for a rock?? seems very silly to me. Try at a few landscapers, nurseries...probably the nurseries out in rural type areas. Other than that anywhere u think rocks would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoges Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Please don't take it from the bush, not only are you risking BIG fines, but try to think about the impact if we all had the opinion that it was only bad if we got caught. Bush rock is an important component of our bush eco system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Where does the bush rock they sell in landscape suppliers come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial-Cichlid Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 When they carve out rocks out of hills and mountains for roads and freeways, where does all that go? Actually I'm more interested in how they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiona Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 I think commercial bush rock comes from private property and development areas. I think some people are licenced to collect it. I may be wrong but I think that's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigitt Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 Fiona's right about private property. If you go down to your local park or creek to take some... this is a BIG NO NO and very illegal. It is illegal to take ANY bush rock from National Parks, Wildlife reserves, Council Park Land, Common areas, Common land or Crown Land. And that also includes flora and fauna too! You must also test the rocks that you buy... i think that you have to test the rocks for limestone with some diluted acid - if it foams then there is limestone, as this kills the fish. Your Rock must be limestone free - or something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 12, 2004 Share Posted March 12, 2004 This is a picture of my display tank (the tank all my spare fish get chucked in lol). It's a 500L tank, 3ftx3ft and 2ft high. The photograph doesn't show the crevices and caves very clearly, but there are heaps of little hiding spots in that pile for fish of all sizes. The rocks fill the tank too, which is not clear from the pic either. That pile cost me less than $20 from a landscape supplies outlet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve24cro Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 yeh i agree its not legal to take it from reserves, however that is exactly where landscape suppliers get it from....either way bush rock comes from bush....home of animals etc, eco systems etc. No matter where u come across it in stores, in the end its all from the bush. taking 3 or 4 rocks at most isnt gonna damage bush as much as we think, my friends a geologist and environmentalist, he said that takin rocks is one of the last things that damages our ecosystem, try cuttin down trees and pesticides etc. even $3 a kilo is alot, especially if u need a fair bit of it in a larger tank, can cost u up to $120. thats some mighty expensive sandstone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted March 13, 2004 Share Posted March 13, 2004 My sister lives on 20+ acres "out bush" and they were told on purchasing the property that all rock must stay ON the property. They may relocate it/ bury it/ use it to make flower beds/ crush it into dust but it must NOT be removed from that area of land. That has always made me wonder. Can anyone actually explain these rules to me? And also, all you guys who are saying to take it from private property, do you know this to be acceptable, or are you assuming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekStylez Posted March 13, 2004 Author Share Posted March 13, 2004 BAZ i can't believe you call that your spare tank where you "chuck your spares in". I hope you were kidding that tank looks awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaZ Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 Thanks for the comments Greekstylez, but I am serious about it being the tank where I throw the spares It's the only tank I have in the house, and my wife likes it to be a nice-looking tank rather than a breeding setup with pipes and other ugly things, so I try to keep it clean and full of colourful fish for her I keep spare males for my breeding colonies in there, in case something should happen to the male in one of my breeding tanks, and also other various male fish. It pays to keep the wife happy, it makes her a little more tolerant of the other tanks and monthly trips to "fish-geek central" (at moorebank) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekStylez Posted March 14, 2004 Author Share Posted March 14, 2004 Once again unbelievable tank, You should post it in my other display tank thread for others to enjoy Congrats! Keep up the excellent work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gutty Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Can anyone actually explain these rules to me? Among other descriptive words, thats commonly known as bullcrap ! As far as i am aware there are no laws governing the movment/removing of stone from ones property. I could be wrong, but i asked a mate that does property development(submits applications to council etc) and he's never heard of such sillyness. Greekstyles: Apart from the 3 peices of sandstone in the middle, all that river rock cost me under $5(was actually only 0.60c, but i gave him a 5er for a beer) BTW, thats a 4x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hi all, when some body subdivides there land they can place nearly any restricitions on that land that they wish. Also goverment bodies could possibly stop You from from removing rock from the ground, in an attempt to stop people carving huge holes in there land and selling it for profit, or having minning companies buying the land. But I dont think this applies to rock laying on top of the ground, just the rock below the surface. Josh and Evelyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial-Cichlid Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Matt Nice setup you have there. Is this the same display tank you have the A. hueseri in? I think I can spot him 2 fish above the yellows. Still looking for those females mate, let me know if you'd be interested in a few as well. Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gutty Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Thanks Paul, close but no cigar. Thats my Chiwindi male. Didn't have the hueseri back then. Good luck in your search, but i'm not really keen. I like my Chiwindis, and thats enough breeding for me. Cheers Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serial-Cichlid Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Thanks Paul, close but no cigar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Quote from Gigitt. You must also test the rocks that you buy... i think that you have to test the rocks for limestone with some diluted acid - if it foams then there is limestone, as this kills the fish. Your Rock must be limestone free - or something like this. Are you sure this is true? Limestone is a common type of rock that people put into their tanks because helps buffer the water. I even got some from the last major auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gutty Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Quote from Gigitt. You must also test the rocks that you buy... i think that you have to test the rocks for limestone with some diluted acid - if it foams then there is limestone, as this kills the fish. Your Rock must be limestone free - or something like this. Are you sure this is true? Limestone is a common type of rock that people put into their tanks because helps buffer the water. I even got some from the last major auction. more on this subject, Not sure what type of rock it is thats actually bad for your tank, but i thought the test was done using vinegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Yep. Supposedly if vinager fizzes on contact with a rock, it is not safe for aquarium use. Can't remember what the harmful element is, but this test is definately worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I just did a search to see if I could find a list of rocks that are not safe for aquarium use. I found the following. http://www.uniquaria.com/articles/sr.html This list is strange, it says that coral, marble and limestone are all unsafe for use. But this is what most of us would put into our african tanks to keep the pH up. I don't know why they say they are unsafe yet in the next paragraph they say that they are acceptable for use in African tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gutty Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 I'd assume they say it's unsafe as it would create to high a PH for most tropical fish(ie: non rift lakers) just a guess though......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gswalker Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 where would be these builders shops where u can get cheap rock from? any in the eastern subs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchar Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hi all, Dilute acids are used by geologists in the field to check for the presence of carbonates (usually an indication of limestone). They are not harmful for use in an aquarium, and in fact form an integral part of buffering in hard water set-ups. merjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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