AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 I keep getting mixed information about these guys, can anyone here clear it up?I have been told the scienctific name is Astatotilapia latifasciata but wiki says Haplochromis latifasciatus.Info:http://www.cichlid-f...atifasciata.phpInfo wikihttp://en.wikipedia....ia_latifasciataPhoto from wiki (My photo varies from the one on wiki)http://en.wikipedia....atifasciata.png L. Kaufman (1996). "Haplochromis latifasciatus". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. Version 2009.2. International Union for Conservation of Nature. http://www.iucnredli...st/details/2195. Retrieved February 2, 2010.Critically EndangeredIUCN Link: http://www.iucnredli.../details/2195/0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltcraig Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Hi Mate I have been told the scienctific name is Astatotilapia latifasciata This is correct The trade name we have adopted here in Sydney Australia is Crimson Tide But elsewhere overseas I have seen the fish refered to Zebra ObliquidenOverseas there is a fish that has the trade name Crimson tide which is the rock kribensis from lake vicHope that helpsCheersCraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 This is definitely the Astatotilapia latifasciata known as Crimson Tide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aymenz Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 hi mate this is a definite Astatotilapia latifasciata known as Crimson TideHere in Australia it is know by this name, but in the states it is a totally different Fish...Here is mine:After getting into a fight with my Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The real "Crimson Tide" is a completely different fish. It is described by Ole Seehausen in his work, "Lake Victoria Rock Cichlids". "Zebra Obliquidens" is the more correct trade name for A. latifasciata. For the life of me, I have never been able to work out why it ended up being called "Crimson Tide" in Australia. In my opinion, this is incorrect and misleading. It's another reason why I stick to scientific names - it staves off this sort of confusion.Good on you for raising the question here. I've been itching to say that for ages...lolCheers,Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 Yes after talking with Skullz from cichlid-forum it is a Zebra Obliquiden.Crimson Tide is a much darker looking fish and completly different.Although as you have stated in Australia most LFS sell them as Crimson Tides and have no idea what a Zebra Obliquiden is. Interent says they are very common in aquariums but are endangered in the wild. I have never seen any Zebra Obliquidens in any fish shops that I don't supply too. I obtained mine from a good friend who is also a breeder.Weird hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firthy13 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Astatotilapia latifasciata is or is about to be classified as extinct in the wild apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yes, ever since the Nile Perch was introduced to Lake Victoria, many species have been driven to extinction. Some species, though, have been intelligent enough to adapt to the perches' habits and survive, even beginning to increase in number when they find spots the perch can't get to. Life really does find a way, huh?I believe there are some surviving populations of A latifasciata in satellite lakes around Victoria, but the population in Lake Vic itself is now extinct.This is one species we don't want to lose - either to lack of interest - or hybridisation. Fortunately, the true "Crimson Tide" isn't in Australia - because if it was, it would almost certainly end up crossing with A. latifasciata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalizer Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I have been told the scienctific name is Astatotilapia latifasciata but wiki says Haplochromis latifasciatus.My guess is like much of the Haps in Lake Malawi this fella from Lake Kyoga or Lake Nawampasa was mistakenly grouped with the "Haplochromis" and thus the wiki giving you the incorrect information.I would say at some stage it was indeed "Haplochromis latifasciatus" but was corrected at some point. Is it called a HAP like the ones in Lake Malawi thou? I am unsure.But yeah .. just a stuffup at some point put it in the wrong group would be my call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 I have been told the scienctific name is Astatotilapia latifasciata but wiki says Haplochromis latifasciatus.My guess is like much of the Haps in Lake Malawi this fella from Lake Kyoga or Lake Nawampasa was mistakenly grouped with the "Haplochromis" and thus the wiki giving you the incorrect information.I would say at some stage it was indeed "Haplochromis latifasciatus" but was corrected at some point. Is it called a HAP like the ones in Lake Malawi thou? I am unsure.But yeah .. just a stuffup at some point put it in the wrong group would be my call.So Astatotilapia latifasciata it is its from from Lake Kyoga or Lake Nawampasa.Can someone please post a pic of a real crimson tide? As the ones I have seen look similar to Astatotilapia latifasciata but darker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalizer Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Like this Maybe ? http://www.african-cichlid.com/CrimsonTide.htm They are calling it a Pundamilia sp. "crimson tide" Common name: Crimson Tide or Red Snout NyerereiNot much Idea about this fella either sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Ok after a few days of research.... alot of forum browsing it is confirmed as a;Haplochromis latifasciatusMany sources refer to it by the invalid scientific name Astatotilapia latifasciata and may also be seen for sale as Haplochromis sp. "zebra obliquidens" or H. obliquidens. Sadly it's thought that the latter fish has never even been exported and is extinct in nature. Furthermore, H. obliquidens is a Victorian species and does not even inhabit the same lake as Haplochromis latifasciatus.wow that took some work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalizer Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yeah I saw that artical on it saying its an incorrect name for it. But I don;t think he did enough research on that artical.If you get your hands on one of the books listed at the bottom of the artical below it might prove wether this fella is correct in saying the other way around.http://www.bigskycichlids.com/Alatifasciata_article.htmSystematics. The genus Astatotilapia was described by Pellegrin (1903) and modified by Greenwood (1979, 1980). This genus provisionally includes riverine Haplochromines from East Africa and possibly some Lake Victorian species (See Seehausen 1996 for discussion). This species was described as Haplochromis latifasciatus (Regan 1929) and later ascribed to the genus Astatotilapia (Note the change in species name to match the gender of the genus). This species name should be considered conditional and may change with future research. This species is also frequently listed as Haplochromis "zebra obliquidens". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks nod.I noticed your in brisi if you want a brood of these just let me know free ofcourse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalizer Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 That would be cool. I am thinking about getting a 3 footer. Found someone getting rid of a heap without lids for $30 each.So if I get that all going I might give you a call, be cool to have an endangered like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Anytime just PM me, if there are any more of those 3ft tanks going around I would be keen as.My Current Brood, though most of these have already sold. Only around 10/15 left from this batch, but thats all good cause I have 3 more on the way, in various stages hahaha and guess what.... all three females are knocked up again... damn I can't figure out why these are endangered they breed with me like rabits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Latest Shot Tonight of the Male he is bright and going crazy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalizer Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 He had a heap of the 3 footers prob 15 or so, he pulled them out of some store. There is a bunch of fishshop type metal stands, but I think only good for like a garage type setup, which is a bit beyond me right now.They look like good quality, although no lids.Nice looking fish there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks grade A batch and breed with different gene pool so the babies are perfect I would be keen feel free to pm me his details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 Another Batch Ready Males look great when colored up! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 So who already has this breed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSCichlidBreeder Posted December 3, 2011 Author Share Posted December 3, 2011 Anyone ? Any one have a Victorian Display tank, going to give away a few of the larger males... pm me for details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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