5uka Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 Yes I'm deff interested in them. Can't believe they are that hard to find when they r stunning fish! If you hear anything please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 That's the thing with large fish that color up at later stages,,, they have narrower markets, so they drop out of the trade fairly easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5uka Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 Do u know any breeders buccal that u could contact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5uka Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share Posted July 27, 2015 I* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigo Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Mara Rocks up here guys. Never heard or seen Chim's around, thats not to say they aren't here….Kept going by a devoted breeder who lives out of town. I will hopefully start some of these off in my room in the next year from him.Beautiful large fish, his colony is pretty much identical to the picture found on Sam Borsteins cichlid site.There is a large yellow blaze, white dorsal fin that the blaze carries on onto a little bit. DEEP blue with a significant amount of orange on the boarder of scales on the side of the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Do u know any breeders buccal that u could contact?No sorry, they just didn't seem good enough sellers.Strength of the fish hobby in Perth is extremely weak, compared to Sydney and Queensland.Those Mara rocks that Craigo mentioned are worth the chase if these are what you'd like.Also keeping in mind, shipping costs between east and west is extremely expensive.These flight mobs are bloody cowboy robbers that have no substance on how they charge.Qantas have completely killed it for me, and virgin are just as big monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFishkeeper Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I haven't been in there for a few months now, but I believe the last time I was in Annerley Aquarium in Brisbane, they had a tank of sub-adults of the Protomelas spilonotus Chimawalani Reef. I remember as I keep the spilonotus "Tanzania" and I noted the different locality.Annerley Aquarium is one of the longest established specialist lfs in Brisbane still with the original owners and they know their cichlids. Their number is 07 3397 6266 if you wanted to call them and see if they still have them.Cheers, Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Annerley Aquarium is definitely on my must visit stores when I visit Brisbane. Hope you have been keeping well Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbunamad Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Annerley Aquarium is definitely on my must visit stores when I visit Brisbane.Hope you have been keeping well Doug.My house could be on your must visit stores when you visit Brissie.I could PM you a list of tanks and fish to bring with you! Seriously you would be welcome for a cuppa and a chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckmeister Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Could make for an interesting visit judging by your interests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbunamad Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 If you come to Brissie Chucky you too could partake in a drinkie.I think that would be a very,very interesting [insert] hilarious chat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I have emailed Ad to ask his opinion. It will be interesting to hear his perspective on the subject. Thanks for the invite Mbunamad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Ad sent the following response. We are dealing here with the same species, and the various populations are difficult to distinguish. Males of the southern populations seem to have more yellow in the anal fin than those of northern localities. If the male's anal fin is not mostly (less than 30%) yellow you are probably dealing with a northern form, i.e. Mara Rocks. But if the anal fin is mostly yellow (more than 50%) with little or no blue, it probably originates from the south, e.g. Chimwalani Reef. Check out photos on cichlidae.com. Females are not distinguishable from what population they come.Enjoy your cichlids!AdI will review the photos on cichlidae.com but refer to the map I produced on Google Maps on the location of P. spilonotus for the Southern and Northern Locations. https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z0b0jG4a_22o.kPTEge3MxW78&usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm happy about that response,,,, I remember most of mine having fairly bright yellow anal fins,, and a bit grey/blue area where the anal fin connects to the body at the base.When I've googled around looking at German fish Availabilty lists over there I've seen both these fish listed separately anyway.I've heard so many people say they're the same thing,,, Definetely a cop out.Good work Ged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Buccal we need to keep the integrity of our collection point just as we do with our species. It is good to hear from Ad some of the features that may allow us to differentiate the southern and northern populations. This information is not found in any of the literature. Ged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Well it's something I've learnt,,, being S.Chims seem to be south confined,,, and S.Mara north confined.As with the even more diverse alounocara,,, while mixing the locations together getting fry isn't what I exactly call hybrids, but locational crosses,,, is just as bad as straight out hybridizing.It's happened to, to many of specie in oz already like lithobate, red empress, alounocara, Vic haps and Taiwan rf,,,,, but many of the species existence here has been refreshed with the giveaway, a location name.Yes very important to maintain clear bloodlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Right. seems we have all learnt a thing.I dropped past Annerley Aquarium today, Howard was most unhelpful BUT I first spotted a larger full grown male in their counter display. For me to walk up to it & name it I would of (in the past) straight away named it 'mara rocks' BUT from memory, nearly all yellow anal fin of this fish.For mother5uka, there are 2 males and one possible female for sale in a back tank $26ea & a large female in a bottom tank at the front for $45 or $40 (don't quote me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5uka Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Thank you very much to all those who contributed to this conversation. In particular Ged who provided Ads opinion on the topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This what the forums are about hey.Love me some good ol fish talk & hearing from experienced keepers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 For years I had been of the opinion that the two locations were identical based on information that was available at the time. 5uka's simple questions followed by Buccal's observation got me thinking. A bit of research and the mapping of the locations allowed Ad's comments to make sense. If he had made the comments about northern and southern variants prior to the mapping it would have made less sense. I have now mapped the last four locations for P. spilonotus, three southern locales and one northern. https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z0b0jG4a_22o.kPTEge3MxW78&usp=sharingCraig I have to agree that forums provide us all with the opportunity to learn something new. I certainly have in this thread. Thanks to everyone that contributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckmeister Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I like the way you have mapped these localities Ged. Its a good way to discover where your fish actually come and interact with the map to some degree. Its a shame they cant be directly posted in like photobucket or youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5uka Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 So Ged now that we have received a consensus on the spilonotus any chance you could ask Ad about the Tyrannochromis Macrostoma??? This species I believe also has many variants based on location in the lake (leading to some debate between nigriventer). Perhaps he could provide some photos of the variants? Sorry if I'm asking too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I like the way you have mapped these localities Ged. Its a good way to discover where your fish actually come and interact with the map to some degree. Its a shame they cant be directly posted in like photobucket or youtube.There was a Media Tag that would allow this to be seamless with the IPB but it is not compatible with out version or the recent release. Great idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munruben1 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Been a long time since I have been on here & this topic is of great interest to me. I have a large quantity of what I know as Mara Rocks (60+ ranging from 7CM to 14CM) and there was a bun fight on QLDAF re me selling some as Crocodile Rocks, but they were really Mara Rocks.. The guy who bought them is now trying to sell some as Mara Rocks which they are & Craigo has suggested a possible buyer should read this article. Interested in selling some or the lot if anyone interested, or just keeping this post going. Will post a photo of one of the males I had. Baz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ged Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Baz welcome back to ACE. You are always welcomed. It will be interesting to see your photos particularly based on Ad's description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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