cooder Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi all,I have been keeping Tangs for about 3 years now, and recently developed a heavy interest in Apistogramma spp. Anyway, i was wondering about breeding Trets, as they seem to be uncommon and looked down upon for their conspecific aggression. ( if you can breed big CAs then why not Trets?) In a while, i want to give these beauties a try at breeding. I am still practicing breeding and raising Cyps and Calvus, and am hoping that i will get spawns from my A. cf. agassizii (Netz/Net) Alenquer. So im no where near really experienced, but i have good water quality and conditions, and general knowledge, so would like to give them a go. They are my favourite looking Neolamp,After a quick search online, i cant find an abundance of info, but i will keep looking....As with obtaining most breeding pairs, it would be best to get 6 or more juveniles at im thinking 3 - 5 cm and grow them up. What size are they sexually mature and can expect some pairing behaviour? Is it even likely that a pair would form, or would they just kill each other before they got to size, so in other words is their any tolerance at all for conspecifics in "smaller" tanks? As expected i wouldnt have any other bottom dweller in the tank, but would a colony of cyprichromis fair alright?Also im expecting the tank will be a 200 liter 4 ft and just one pair, as i need any other bigger tanks obtained for future troph, front and sandsifter colonies!! I have kept a single Tret, he was gorgeous and not aggressive to other fish, other than the usual gill flaring and displays, but i want to observe the way pairs / groups interact.Anyone have experience with breeding trets, and can give any sound advice as to what gave you success?? also if the idea works out, i need a supplier for good quality trets aswell, im not sure whether they are on Grants import list but i hope to get German or F1 stock, if it is even available. I cant stand the thought of distributing sub standard quality fry, if they breed. Thats my end goal in the hobby, to breed and dristribute as many good quality rare-ish fish that i can lol Cheers for reading, look forward to any imput,Cody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonFishin Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Cody, have you spoken with Mick (Trofius)? He will be able to answer all your questions and supply you with quality fry. 4ft will be fine, like you said - get a group and wait for them to pair then remove the others.Good luck!Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couchy Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 I also just started growing a group of these up to breed and have the same info as you from my research. After losing a tank and having to move colonies around I was forced to put all my 7 trets into a 2" and they are happy so far. There is a 8cm male and 6 others at 5-6cm. I got these from Andrew at Labrynth and are great quality. Lionel (Zigzag) has fry and breeds in a colony? Which apparently shouldn't work but does.Cheers Couchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooder Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Cool, Mick is actually in my area as far as i know, so that should be cool, see if i can take a look at his tanks. havent seen him online for a while though.Continuing to look for info lol.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Coodera friend use to breed these for years and started withjuveniles he let pair uphad his adult pair in a 4x2x2 with Cop. azuerus sand substratefew rocks and a ceramic flat sided jar set next to the rockworkfor them to spawn in, facing forward so he could check with a torch he know when they spawned by watching them and then removedthe jar after the eggs hatchedfed them on micro worms to start and then BBS, when they hit 3cmthey got moved into the 6x2x2 grow out tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damoq Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I think you will find Mick on tropheus fanatics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooder Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 Thanks Chris, that should give me a better idea, What do you think i should do if they start to get aggressive towards eachother? clear divider until things settle down a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Cooderwhen a pair forms move everbody else or you willend up with 2 fish so have a few spare tanks todistribute them through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzagfish Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I breed Tretsin a 5x2x1.5 tank , i have a colony of eleven ration about 50/50 , tank set up is crush coral along the midle of the tank i have a hole pile of my hollow breeding rocks the pairs pick a rock an protect it like a home they lay in the rocks and protect the fry very well , i feed shrimp , decapusulated shrimp cysts , crush flake and pellets after 3 weeks i sucke them out with a hose and put them in a 2foot tank till ready to sell growth rate is not to bad at 6 months they are on 4cm .Lionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Lionelyou must have some mellow TretsI had them years ago tried in 4x18x18 and then 5x15x18 and it wasalways a war zone when a pair formed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzagfish Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Hi Chrisi was told the same thing from a few people , this colony i got from western australia they were around the 6cm i put them in the 5foot with some dolphins and couple of tropheous once one of the trets paired up and spawned around 3 weeks later i removed the fry and the dolphins and tropheous so the colony of 11 has been together for over 2 years now the biggest is around 11/12cm the smallest around 8/9cm they all get on i must be one of the lucky ones i do have plenty of my hollow rocks in the tank maybe that is helping to keep agression down , i have been keeping records and taking photos and video of them spawning , in the future i will do a talk as they are very interesting fish CheersLionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooder Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 If you have been keeping videos could you send us one? lolI will allow for the aggression, but hope that they go alright as a colony, i should have a spare tank or two for them to go in, or else sell them, which would be a hassle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzagfish Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 If you have been keeping videos could you send us one? lolI will allow for the aggression, but hope that they go alright as a colony, i should have a spare tank or two for them to go in, or else sell them, which would be a hasslehave a look in youtube my channel is thezigzagfish i have videos of my fish room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepod72 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I also have kept trets as a colony of 7 (3 males to 4 females) in a 4 x 18 x 18 and they got along well, the breeding pair did chase the others away when they were breeding but other than that there wasn't to much aggression. One piece of valuable advice that Lionell gave me was to keep a lot of plants (fake or real) as well as the caves and rock. The plants become neutral ground for fish as they don't fight over this space as they do for caves or rock formation.I found this works really well not just for the trets but for a lot of other fish I keep.Cheers,Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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