Donny Brasco Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I recently bought a few fish from someone shutting down there tank.They wernt 100% what species it was and when i mentioned it looked like a turkis they said they think that might have been it.I would like some confirmation before i go trying to breed them soon but do you think this is a aulonocara turkis (yes i understand there a morph/hybrid)The lighting and photo isnt the best his tail and anal fins are more black tips, just looks brownish in the pic.From all info i have found a turkis is a man made hybrid/morph of a aulonocara stuartgranti chilumba, which are generally a lot darker and have red side, tail and anal finds.So wat do you think, have i scored a sweet male turkis or is it something different all together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckmeister Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 i might come across a little harsher than I mean to be..maybe not...just asking...Why would you want to have anything to do with hybrids? Everyone I know, in every state, especially any forum associated with a cichlid society forum, spend their whole time fighting hybrids entering the system. There is a reason that hybrids are not welcome.Most of us have spent alot of time and effort to prevent rubbish from being entered into the hobby and its for the longevity of the hobby in the long term.Cut a long story short..if its hybrid, you dont want it. If you want to breed hybrid then its on your own reputation!!If you are not 100 percent sure then dont sell (or buy) the fish.You need to be fussy to be a breeder ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It must be understood that if fish havnt come from a trusted reliable source that labels the fish as pure,,, then even experienced pro's can't look at fish that have so many locality variations and be absolutely certain of the correct label.I Definetely are all for keeping purity in pure fish.I'm also all for keeping purity of designer peacocks which are referred to as hybrids, but I call (locational mixes).Being careful in the same way with locational mixes and actual pure fish,,, actually helps to keep true identities segregated.As after all, designer peacocks are here to stay.Ethics can get a little technical, but it's pretty important,,, don't forget that the original people buying these original stock from overseas are paying big bux compared to what they resell here locally,,,, so don't undo all that,,, its time, dedication and money to get them here in the first place..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simy696 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 nice looking display fish thats all id be using it for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithoMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 WHEN I FIRST STARTED ..I WOULD BUY FISH HERE AND THERENOW I HAVE LEARNT IF I GO TO THE PERSONS HOUSE AND HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT FISH HE HAS....I DONT BUYUNLESS FROM EXPERIENCE I KNOW THE FISH AND CAN TELL THE SPIECES ...MAYBE THIS MAYBE THAT .....I DONT TOUCH ITLET ALONE BREED THEM ....NICE LOOKING FISH...DISPLAY TANK.AND ONTOP BEING PEACOCK FEMALES GET MIXED SO EASILY IF THE ORIGINAL KEEPER HAS NO IDEA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlecoSam Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Litto, don't yell at the poor kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithoMan Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 no yelling ...dont know why its caps or underlinedace forum did it loland i aint a internet geeeeky...caps mean shouting lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Staying away from the hybrid/line-bred situation for a minute. Because I have zero idea on the origins of a "Turkis" peacock...But no matter what the fish is that you want to breed - if you aren't 100% certain on the fish, then you run the risk of getting stuck with a bunch of garbage/culls to get rid of if you later find out it isn't what you hoped/thought.Remove the confusion. Start your colony off with only what you are sure is exactly what you want.The chances of finding amazing quality breeding stock (of any species) from a display tank being shut down and from someone who doesn't really remember what the fish is, is basically zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Brasco Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 you all make valid points how ever the owner wasnt some random collecting pretty fish, they had an unreal range and bought most of them from keysborough aquarium which is all import wc or german bred, also from devon at barnesys cichlid heaven who is also known for great quality but then she has a mirror ball, a blue otter and a malawi trout which she bought from sydney, she had cracker fish, eye biters, red shoulders, rubins a sweet buM midnight litho "but was already sold this was the only one she couldnt remember the name of, it looks very much like a turkis from all my google searching and youtube videos and when i mentioned to her that is what it looks like she seem to recall that being what it was.Im not doubting her because she had all really high quality and pure fish, i was just more so after peoples opinions that it was infact a turkis or if they believe it looks like something else.She said it came from mings in keyborough so im assuming it must have come from germany correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Brasco Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Litto, don't yell at the poor kid! I'm 32 years old, have 5 kids, a degree in mechanical engineering and run 2 successful full time business's, i havent been called a kid in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Aulonocara sp. “Turkis”—ML (Europe).....(The story--personally told to us in Germany by a respected authority and colleague of Ad Konings and the source of our original specimens--is that this form was produced in Germany from an actual "mutant" specimen of a wild-caught Aulonocara stuartgranti Chilumba. Mutant forms can be produced in nature, and they need not be hybrids.)From Armkes siteso Turkis was line bred in Europe from a non Chilumba peacock that was in a shipment of wild caught Chilumba, next question what did they bred it tothis is different senario to "Rubens" that were line bred from Chipoka Orange for colour intensitynice display fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Germany are quite happy to sell hybrids - they have no reason to try preserving true speciesas they can import everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Brasco Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 so no one if a big fan of the turkis strain? but rubens , dragons bloods etc are all well accepted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithoMan Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 i think they are all accepted but as long as you know what they are 100% not a guess...the domino effect is massiveand if you are wanting to get in to peacocks you need to have dedicated grow out tanks and so on..like i mentioned it is so easy to mix up fry or a female....very very hard to tell the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Brasco Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 yes i have several grow out tanks and not currently breeding a lot of peacocks as alot of the colonies i have put together are a bit small just yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadnappa Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Hi donny, I remember when meng got Turkis in. he had a few in a tank I watched for awhile. the pic you have doesn't quite look the same could be the angle/light/different food/stress, it could be, but from that pic I Wouldn't say it definitely is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadnappa Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The white looks too thick on the dorsal, there's no reddish patch on the shoulder and overall it doesn't have that turquoise silver colour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Brasco Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 yeah im going to have to take a vid of him swimming around, there is red in his body for sure, not as greeny as i have seen but google imgs is very similar if not identical.Ill take a vid tonight and upload it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intangcity Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 display it only please save the hobby the misery.i dont think id call it a turkis.maybe it was a turkis to start with then its been crossed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 to me a hybrid is a hybrid Turkis, Dragonblood, OBif it doesn't have a designated scientific name and collection locale thenit's not true speciesHybrids so long as fashionable are a fact of the hobby but true strain iswere the work needs to be to ensure they stay true to speciesAulonacara have the worst track record of African species as far as causingheadaches with keeping them true - the only saving grace is they are an allowedimport so you get to start again if they get screwed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Yes true and pure strains is where the acts of preservation needs to be sure, and that's what's all these forums are about to.But can I just say,, don't forget the dedicated relentless hard work that goes into line breeding the designer peacocks to make them so attractive and colorful.Doing the wrong thing also unravels the quality and hard work done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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