goldenswimmers Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Have looked for these guys for awhile but feel alas its not going to happen... :( oh well still worth showing these fish off...Say hello to Pseudotropheus sp. ''Williamsi North'' Makonde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddy65 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 WOW...those are some lovely fish...just went onto my list as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangs4me Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 not much into malawis but they are a fish i would keep. absoulutely stunning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E4G13M4N Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Nice looking fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloory Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 not much into malawis but they are a fish i would keep. absoulutely stunning Yep I'd second that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damoq Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooder Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 They would be importable right? maybe they just cant be caught cause of the location or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksta Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 They would be importable right?No. Imports are governed by a fairly short list - http://www.aqis.gov.au/icon32/asp/ex_casecontent.asp?intNodeId=8872757&intCommodityId=6114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firthy13 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 not importable and not in Australia unfortunately. i has wasted many hours trying to track these down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxious_nasties Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Gorgeous fish. I'd love to get a group of them also.Have they ever been in Aus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-F-A Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 All the rage in the states but not in aus unfortunately It's a dam shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yes very sad...seems they never made it here in time...back when people could still have the freedom to import great fish(sorry guppy & gourami lovers )Damn shame like you said Chris...these are gorgeous fish and it seem everyone gets a spot for them even the tang folk :) and yeah cooder as ducksta said there are no Pseudotropheus allowed for import into Australia...sometimes I feel the inner rage at the goverment for making such fish illegal whilst letting more dangerous fish(as in enviromental impact) into the country but thats politics for you .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crebo Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 awesome looking fish would love them in my tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daci Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 It's one of those fish that may never take off as bread and butter fish in shops but will be very attractive for hardcore collector. Bit sad really but let face it, polit, rusty, barlowi, p livingstonii to name a few had suffered the same fate.the photo above isn't the best representation of the look of the actual fish in a normal situaltion. If you were to buy them just for the colour then you will be in for a surprise, NO they dont all look the same as the above photos...end of the story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foti Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 It looks like you posted there fry !I'm sure not all males of spec. Will display as nice as first pics but good lines in good ratios under good lights I'm sure will be just as good as top pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Yep, just coming out of juvie stage.There are locational variances in these.There are two that are similar, being Nkhata bay and Makonde.It's the Makonde that's sort after.Like with a lot of malawis people expect to see full vibrancy as seen on researched pics.Truth of the matter is the aquarist doesn't supply the conditions for fish to present,,, wether water chemistry, colony construction or just tank or habitat situation.Apart from those points another most of all one is patience and long term commitment.Some people would be surprised just how big some fish actually get past what they consider full size.Sometimes when fish have well well well matured and starting to slow or even finish breeding,,,, this is when these colors can set intense in a unchanged happy colony.These type fish are a mood color showing fish.With fish that show color only at best when in dominance or breeding mode,,, means that the tank must be set in a particular way to hold or set the fish in this constant mode.Most of the time this means a single species tank.These fish will not have set colors like a elec yellow.A typical example of this Is the flasher type tangs.To lock in color show on furcifers, two males and a handful of females with a privacy object in center to create two territories.My furcifers are in constant or 90% of the time color breeding dress mode.A bit of enginuity will make the Pseudotropheus "williamsi" Makonde look stunning.To often I see good fish and bloodlines bought down due to lack of knowledge combined with what I call expectational googling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daci Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 you will never ever able to obtain the exact spec fish like the first picwhy,Because the the pic had been heavily juiced (highly saturated, sharpen)Even the rocks look blue!EXIF data of the photo show it too.Saturation = high (2)Sharpness = hard (2)I aggree with what Buccal said but this one 'patience and long term commitment.'i believe we, as hobyist often lack of (inc me)i have kept these while overseas and i think a true presentation of this fish should be point out (or at least the majority of the time the fish should look like) in the photos belowbit like the red cheek we have here in Ozand in the wildthis sp. distributed all over the lake and not limited to just Makonde and or Nkhata bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buccal Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 They are distributed all over the lake yes,, this is why they vary quite a bit.It's likely the Makonde collection point is where the better for color ones are seen.German collectors and commercial breeders do have a selection regime to induce the better or more colorful part of the bloodlines.There are many, many pictures from the U.S that show these fish almost or close to as nice as the so called photo shopped pics.They may be photo shopped, but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't.I think with these fish as far as color goes, they will be similar to Hap.flameback type fish,,, some individual males will be standouts while others may not be as good even if dominant.You all may be surprised as to wether Williams are here or not,,, they just could be here,,, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 yep cant be juging the fish by how they look as fry...yes weaker lines will be not as colourful but I do think the first photo shown is not too far from the mark...well fed happy healthy fish and as mentioned under good lighting(and with a good camera as it a nice detailed image ) you would quite easily find good fish looking similar....just not here in Australia unfortunately..i shall now go cry in my corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 I tell you what...get me some and I will let you judge my fishkeeping skills to your hearts content ha ha I definitely understand the relevance of "googling" an image but if you dont even have the fish in the country to show an example of,..will then where else would you grab a pic????....think most experienced fishkeepers would be aware of the variance of fish colouring with mooding,etc ...still think they have the "potential" to be beautiful fish and Im very jealous Daci of your experience with them, ...I even think the wild specimans look great with the yellow more resrtricted to the facial area...and still nice blue lips :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenswimmers Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Buccal do you hold secrets with these guys :) I would love to have some in the collection.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooder Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Honestly AQIS is bull crap. I dont see how these are any less viable to import than any other mid sized malawian cichlid. Local troubles, National parks etc etc that dont allow collection is understandable though.A good example is boulengerchromis microlepis, Yeh they grow to 700mm more or less long, and they excavate for their broods and have massive ones at that, but how does that mean that they can survive and over run Australian Rivers? if anything they could be banning things that can actually survive and thrive in our rivers and creeks....Yeah whatever... they'll never budge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efc01 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 There is a Tanganyikan cichlid that look similar. I'm pretty sure someone on this forum keeps them as well. Ill let you guys guess what fish I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloory Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 There is a Tanganyikan cichlid that look similar. I'm pretty sure someone on this forum keeps them as well. Ill let you guys guess what fish I'm talking about.Petro's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efc01 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 No not a petro that I'm thinking of.Was thinking ctenochromis benthicola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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