YAL05T Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Hi, as I sometimes do, I buy things from auction when I have a spare tank and just let them do their thing. I usually am pretty good and write down what I have placed in the tank but due to all sorts of shenenigans I forgot to do it for these guys and had already tossed the bag. They have since grown to a good size and had started to breed like bunnies. This brings me to the who am I question, so here are a couple of pics for the Victorian heads out there: Sorry for the quality but I did not want to stress this bloke for too long. T.I.A, Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafa Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Hi. I'm pretty certain it's a Haplochromis Species 44 (aka. Thick Skin. aka Red Tailed Hap). A beautiful fish. I have a colony myself. It's a male by the way. Regards Cafa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudotrop Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Hi, as I sometimes do, I buy things from auction when I have a spare tank and just let them do their thing. I usually am pretty good and write down what I have placed in the tank but due to all sorts of shenenigans I forgot to do it for these guys and had already tossed the bag. They have since grown to a good size and had started to breed like bunnies. This brings me to the who am I question, so here are a couple of pics for the Victorian heads out there: Sorry for the quality but I did not want to stress this bloke for too long. T.I.A, Brett I'm not expert on Victorians, but it looks like a (Haplochrome) Pundimilia . Could it be this? http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/h_sp44.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2Hell Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I suggest you contact Aline (chimpimbi) or one of the committee and ask if they can check your buyer list from the last auction Do you know what you bidders number was ? the auction data base should be able list your purchases for the day Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAL05T Posted December 13, 2009 Author Share Posted December 13, 2009 Cheers Chris, I will have a look back and see what I can find and give some of the committee guys a hoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 It looks very similar to my Astatotilapia brownae (it's known by a different name now I think) although yours has more yellow in the body than mine. Mine is apprx 6-7 years old and may have had more colour as a juvie - can't find any pics of him though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debgrafish Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 They look the same as mine, I purchased mine as Haplachromis (pundamilia) nyererei Yes they breed like rabbits, just need to give them ears. my last mouth full the girl spat 122 fry. Sorry not a great shot, everytime i bring the camera out he hides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foti Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 It looks very similar to my Astatotilapia brownae (it's known by a different name now I think) although yours has more yellow in the body than mine. Mine is apprx 6-7 years old and may have had more colour as a juvie - can't find any pics of him though that is one nice looking fish you got there matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 If memory serves me right, you bidded on Neochromis nigricans at the March auction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 However, the fish being asked about is very clearly not N. nigricans (now N. rufocaudalis). I hope that's not what they were sold as... YAL05T, I know you didn't want to stress him out, but he'll be ok to take out for a few seconds worth of detailed close-ups if you can. I wouldn't rule out X. phytophagus at this stage... That, or the "thick skin". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbin4 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Looks like Hap nyererei to me,, brownae as in photo is much darker. not nigs for sure Is the Hap obliquidens around ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafa Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Looks like Hap nyererei to me,, brownae as in photo is much darker. Is the Hap obliquidens around ? Hi guys. Apparently the Hap Obliquidens is a misnomer, but it has, on numerous occasions been applied to the "Thick Skin". I still strongly believe that your fish is a "Thick Skin"/Hap Species 44/ Red Tailed Hap (all one in the same). As I mentioned earlier in the discussion, I have a colony of these guys, and they are as close to identical with yours as they could be (unless mine are not what they are supposed to be).I agree however, with Andrew, that some more photo's would help. Cheers, Cafa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAL05T Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 If memory serves me right, you bidded on Neochromis nigricans at the March auction Cheers guys, if I spent more time paying attention to what I was buying and less time talking to all you guys I would not have these issues Not that I was talking either if you are reading this Kevin. I will try to get some better pics when I can, I have been thinking about making a photo tank, you know the ones that are only an inch- inch and a half wide just so I can get some better pics. I will see what I can come up with, as I refuse to sell any juvies until I am 100% sure as to what I have. Thanks, Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzy Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 If memory serves me right, you bidded on Neochromis nigricans at the March auction Do N.Nigricans have that much yellow in them? Or even any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 No, none. Their primary colours are black and red, hence the original name of "nigricans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAL05T Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 The male pictured is more green than the photo indicates. I just got a new camera and these were the first pics. I might try to get some underwater (camera is a U tough 8000) and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOG6ON Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I would have to say that this guy is a Hap. nyererei. He is near identical to my males. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 My appologies Brett, I didn't pay any attention to the photo as I remembered you buying the fish in question but as others have said, it doesn't appear to be a nigrican. For comparison, here is a picture of my nigrican followed by my nyererei "Makobe Island": Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 It's still a bit risky though - I know of two shops in Sydney who sell X. phytophagus as H. nyererei. It is an utter travesty. The most useful identification tool I've found is Ole Seehausen's "Lake Victoria Rock Cichlids" - an early but definitive book on the subject. It is an exhaustive account of known and unidentified species from various locations in the Lake. It would blow your minds to see how many variants of H. nyererei and many others in it - all photographed and catalogued. If you can get the book, get it - it will help. The H(Pundamillia). nyererei posted by debgrafish is a superb example of classic nyererei, a very nice fish indeed and I would be interested in fry... I am still hopeful of some more detailed photos of this fish - and hopeful of the seller seeing this thread and telling us what they sold! lol Cheers, Andrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzy Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 After I posted my thread about going into Vics a few weeks ago I've been watching this with interest. I hope more experienced vic enthusiasts contribute. In the meantime I'm getting goggle eyed looking at pics on the net in books and here in the thread so I've started a little collage so I can see all the fish at once for comparison I'll share here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debgrafish Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Its great to see there has been so much interest in this thread. I have also done a great deal of research on lake victorian fish over the last few months to ensure that my colony had been correctly identified. I have the Lake Victorian Rock Cichlids book. At the time of its publication the classification pundamilia did not exist. So my fish is referred as Haplochromis Nyererei-Mokobe island. It is in more recent years that the classification of pundamilia has been added. I have inserted a link below which is very helpful in identifying Lake victorian fish. There are not a great deal of variants here in Australia as it is illegal to import from Lake Victoria i have recently been told. I found this site extremely useful as all the lake victorians are in their current classifications and there is a photo of each variant. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/category.php?cat=16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzy Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Andrew mentioned not ruling out X. phytophagus. So by way of contributing I've added a rather ordinary pic of one of my phtyo's. As far as this novice eye can tell the main difference seems to be in the shape of the tail. Be good to see a pic of YAL05T's fish's tail. Then again, the experts here might tell me I'm way off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Given the very limited number of Vics in the Australian Hobby, I don't think any one of us could claim to be an expert...lol Whilst I have had a lot of experience with the Vics in Oz over the years, there is still oodles more I could learn about them - and it is great that we can all put our ideas foward and come up with more Qs & As... I know some might beg to differ, but I am really not seeing much difference between YAL05T's fish and X. phytophagus. Your thoughts? Frenzy, thanks for putting up the "collage"! Very good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobaltcraig Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 My Nigrican males look like Shanes Photo I dont breed these anymore retired my males to the display tank I do keep Christmas Fulu now One thing I would say is that the males of both these species change there colouration depending on the mood they are in The book Andrew mentions is a good reference both Just like all the books that come from Cichlid Press The best reference books I have found "Another Story For Another day" But with these mentiones Victorians and I also kept Burtoni in the past All have variations to there dress depending on the moods not only breeding time Cheers Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenzy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 My Nigrican males look like Shanes Photo I dont breed these anymore retired my males to the display tank I do keep Christmas Fulu now One thing I would say is that the males of both these species change there colouration depending on the mood they are in The book Andrew mentions is a good reference both Just like all the books that come from Cichlid Press The best reference books I have found "Another Story For Another day" But with these mentiones Victorians and I also kept Burtoni in the past All have variations to there dress depending on the moods not only breeding time Cheers Craig That's something I'm finding with all my vics Craig. Especially my phytophagus which seem to be able to change colour by the minute. My Burtoni male also has differing colours depending on his mood. This is especially true since Wednesday when the Burtoni got their own tank and no longer share with the fuelleborni I had. For anyone interested the species I am keeping are A. Latisfasciata X. Phytophagus A. Burtoni P. Nicholsi I'm expecting some Haplochromis (Pundamillia) nyererei from 2 seperate sources as well. Out with the mbuna! In with the Vics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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