luket Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi all, I am moving into another house soon and want too put my 6x2x2 inside as a display. The house is on brick piers and the floor is hardwood timber floorboards. Will I have any sort of problems doing this? Any advice on the matter is appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecura Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Hi all, I am moving into another house soon and want too put my 6x2x2 inside as a display. The house is on brick piers and the floor is hardwood timber floorboards. Will I have any sort of problems doing this? Any advice on the matter is appreciated Hey, My house is the same & i have no problem with my 6x2x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Two words for you. *Building Inspector* A small cost to you now will save you a possible huge cost in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shannon07 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Two words for you. *Building Inspector* A small cost to you now will save you a possible huge cost in the future agreed. my a 4x2x2 weighs about 600kg so a 6x2x2 would weigh more than a tonne. like having a car parked on the floor. you wouldnt want to come home and find ur tank through the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I Thought that my 6x18x24 wasn't doing any damage to my place until a huge crack appeared in my ceiling. Got an inspector to look at it and he said the probable cause was the extra weight of the tank in the next room causing the piers to settle over the 4 odd years it was there. The tank probably wont fall through the floor, but it may cause damage. Food for thought! Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1hopper09 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Hi i have a 10x2x2 on a timber floor its been full of water in the same spot and i have no problem with the foor or walls... cheers Hopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1hopper09 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 oh one more thing my mum has one of thoes old italian wallunits on timber floors and i can tell you they are heavyer than my 10fter cheers again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbeer Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 So the tank being 10 x 2 x 2 filled with water - would contain about 1000 litres of water - hence weighing around 1000 kg, and you are saying that the cabinet weighs more than that? Consider a 4 x 2 x 2 tank with a capactiy of around 400 Liters - 400 kg. Thenwe add on the weight of the tank, gravel and any decorations. Say it is on 4 legs - each leg hence holding a bit over 100 kg. On the surface that doesn;t sound too bad. However, timbers response to load is time dependant. This means that deflection increases over time, and timber is stronger in the short term and in the long term. (almost twice as strong). The next variable is what part of the floor is the leg sitting on. Your floor consist of 3 partss, the flooring (particle board or floor boards), floor joists, and floor bearers. If the leg is sitting inbetween two joists - the flooring may deflect locally and actually pull up the nails on the next joist over, or may cuase splitting of the boards themselves. Typcially you can located on a timber floor where the joists are under by looking for the nailing. If the leg is over a joist so we bypass problem one we approach problem two. The joist itself may deflect again causing cracking in various places, like the ceiling in the room below. This is difficult to access as it depends on the layout of the floor itself. The third potential issue is the bearers/ lintels below deflecting. The typical rule that people post about put a peice of ply under only address the flooring issue. My rule based on the potential for the above too occur is once you get beyond a standard 4 foot tank - get advice. I would suggest a builder or engineer be consulted. If it is a ground floor it is relatively easy to stffen the floor up to sustain the loads and worth the effort. HTH Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbits Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I've seen a 8x2x2 on a metal stand come crashing down. It took about 3 months before the timber finally let go. Building engineer for sure.Cost me $200 to have one come out. Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1hopper09 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi Gingerbeer Yes thats right .. the tank alone is 1365 Liters full of water and you can add another 250 kg for the hood and cabinet ... oh and i forgot add another 600 kg for the glass as it takes 8 big stong men to lift it , so let me see , that makes the whole setup about 2215 kg oh i forgot i also have a 6ft sump under it and that would have at leased 400 liters of water in it , so that would take the new grand total to 2615 kg. WOW a woping 2.615 tone on my old floor boards for the last 2 years.. NOT BAD.. the timber in this building must be hard wood or some island palm tree because i have no cracks in my walls at all... but in saying all this i am a little worryed now ,that would be like having two cars parked in your loungroom (shannon07 ) .. cheers hopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIMO Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 If the house is on piers, then that means you can get under the house somehow. The best bet would be to get an inspector or an engineer to check it all out and ask them how you could strengthen the floor or foundations under this particular section of the house. Lots of homework now will definately pay off later, not to mention total peace of mind which is invaluable. Good luck with it and please keep us informed as this could be a big learning curve for lots of people with this same dilemma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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